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Old 02-22-2011, 07:27 PM   #1
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Corals dying


Losing flowerpot coral and two other soft corals. 40 gallon reef tank. 2 clowns, one 6-line wrasse, one blue damsel, one pseudo and one yellow watchman. Specs are perfect except 20.0 ppm on Nitrates (could it be due to dying corals?). Recently used algaefix marine to take care of green hair algae. Recently lost cleaner shrimp and pistol shrimp, due to algaefix I suspect. (Could the two shrimp be the cause of the nitrate levels?)

Again, specs are right on. Corals going down fast. Any ideas? Do I let the corals run their corse or get them out of the tank in order to stop the nitrate count from climbing either further?

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Old 02-22-2011, 07:55 PM   #2
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Was your tank aerated during the Algaefix treatment? Did you make any drastic changes in your parameters? What are your exact parameters?

Sorry about your shrimp.

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Old 02-22-2011, 07:58 PM   #3
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sound like your tank is still going threw a cycle how long has it been set up? how much do you feed your fish and how often? flowerpots are very hard to keep so there likely to dissapate but what other corals are being affected?
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i am pretty sure the nitrates are not the cause of the deaths. nitrates are not deadly until they are well into the hundreds for inverts and several thousands for vertebrates.

does anybody know what is in Algaefix?

the hardest part about this hobby is knowing when to just leave things alone. it takes many of us years to figure this out. it is also very important to remove nutrients as often as you can. weekly water changes while deep siphoning the sand bed will go a long way in keeping your water quality good and your nutrient levels low.

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Old 02-22-2011, 08:40 PM   #5
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i am pretty sure the nitrates are not the cause of the deaths. nitrates are not deadly until they are well into the hundreds for inverts and several thousands for vertebrates.

does anybody know what is in Algaefix?

the hardest part about this hobby is knowing when to just leave things alone. it takes many of us years to figure this out. it is also very important to remove nutrients as often as you can. weekly water changes while deep siphoning the sand bed will go a long way in keeping your water quality good and your nutrient levels low.

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I do have some Algaefix I got for my pond/wifes tank, mine contains copper and other elements (not listed), and says on the label not to be used with any inverts, but his might be different then mine... but I would still think that the cause for the deaths, as my wife put this in her tank and first to go was the shrimp, then the snails, then the crabs, then SOME algae only to return in a week haha

I use the Algaefix in my pond for the green water on some days during the summer, I put a little in my filter to kill the green water, but keep the hair algae, cuzz the fish love hair algae!
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:58 AM   #6
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if it actually has copper in it, then that would be cause of the inverts dying.

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Old 02-23-2011, 10:16 AM   #7
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Nitrite is not the cause and at 20 that is still low to kill corals, But what might of caused to kil your flowerpot and softie is your temperature. these corals do not like high temp around 80 they die. they stay around 76-77
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Old 02-23-2011, 10:26 AM   #8
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if it actually has copper in it, then that would be cause of the inverts dying.
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There is "algaefix marine" which is formalated to be reef and invert safe
if you search the forum you will see many pages of positive results with it.

Not saying it's not the issue but would be looking at overdose issue if it was as the treatment for a 40 gal would be 5ml every three days.
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But what might of caused to kil your flowerpot and softie is your temperature. these corals do not like high temp around 80 they die. they stay around 76-77
You can not say; "they will die", I have run a 14 gal. Biocube at 80-82 for 5 years and I have an all soft coral tank and they have thrived. Some coral hard or soft prefer cooler tems as you suggest but 80 degrees will not by any means kill them.
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Old 02-23-2011, 02:48 PM   #10
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careful of the blanket statements without references.

according to Wikipedia (yes, not the best source, but usually good enough) they say the recommended temperature range of Goniopora is between 77 and 84. Wikipedia does not exactly say where they are collected, but being a lagoon or turbid dwelling coral it makes sense that it should be able to handle higher temps then most other corals.

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There is "algaefix marine" which is formalated to be reef and invert safe
if you search the forum you will see many pages of positive results with it.

Not saying it's not the issue but would be looking at overdose issue if it was as the treatment for a 40 gal would be 5ml every three days.
yes there is an "algaefix marine", but all I read was Algaefix, with no apparent "algaefix marine" listed...

this is why its important to list things correctly and state the whole name just not a part of it...

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Old 02-23-2011, 05:29 PM   #12
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i keep my tank at 80 as well, i have LPS and soft corals and they are doing great, my hammer just split and my duncan coral now has 9 heads from the 4 that I got it with. So temp at 80 degrees a tank could be fine unless you have specific species that need a cooler temp.
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Old 02-26-2011, 01:09 PM   #13
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Update: All soft corals dead...mushrooms alive and green star polyps doing well.

Update on parameters: Temp 73; gravity 1.025; calcium 520; Nitrate 15.0ppm; Nitrite 0.0ppm; Phosphate 0.0ppm; ph 8.4; Ammonia 0.0ppm; Carb. Hardness12 dKH (214.8 ppm)

Any other ideas on why soft corals "bit the dust"?
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do you know exactly what the corals were that died? we know one is a Goniopora (difficult to keep even for the best), but i do not see where you told us what the other two were.

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