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Old 09-27-2006, 02:30 PM   #1
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Coral Overheating, Scientists Say


By Mat Probasco

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posted: 26 September 2006
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Old 09-27-2006, 04:57 PM   #2
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gee i always thought the carribean was supposed to be hot

its not too far off from the norm temps
heres a copy of the average water temps in the virgin islands

"Water temperatures in the Virgin Islands do not change greatly from summer to winter, however the 4 or 5 degree change is noticeable to those acclimated to consistently warm tropical weather. In the summer months the water temperature is about 83 degrees and in the winter about 79 degrees"

so if its summer there talking about norm 83 to a 85 isnt extremely drastic, of course im no scientist but i would hardly worry about this
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Just more fuel for the Global Warming Scam....
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The other big question is if they have bothered to look for any other reason for the die off or are they automatically blaming it on warmer weather??
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good points. hard to tell in such a chaotic system what is causing what. especially without a point-source argument.

as far as Global warming being a scam...well, you can do your own research. since the 70s all evidence indicates we are altering the planetary climate..which makes logical sense given the unnatural amounts of C02 human activity dumps into the environment.

the degree of predicted change is certainly debatable...but I think it's safe to say non-sustainable human activity is not good for the planet's natural systems.

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what are you basing the 'scam' position on? Can you elaborate on that opinion? Keep in mind the vested interests of information sources as well. And keep in mind we all have a vested interest in keeping the planet habitable.
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I am more along the lines of butch... they call it global warming but it is not a global event. Antarctica has actually been getting colder. I remember the 80's and early 90's when they were plugging the Ozone layer, talking about holes in the polar caps... then you do a little research and find out that it is a natural process because the ozone layer is built and broken down by light passing through the atmosphere (heck, CFC's are too heavy to even reach that high in the atmosphere).

I have taken college courses in environmental sciences and from past data you can see that Co2 levels in the atmosphere and yes, temperature have been much lower over the last 100k years than they ever have been in the history of the planet. you could say that we are warming back up finally...
i would refer you back to the basic laws of thermodynamics where it is stated that matter cannot be destroyed, only changed into another form... all this Co2 in the air has been there in the past and has just been locked up in natural sources for a while. I agree that man has some effect in releasing it but in the end it has been on this planet for a long time and the earth has adapted with each temperature swing.

things happen, don't litter and don't waste. recycle and then roll the bones. the planet has been here longer than we have... it will be fine.

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.............that article has been out a while now..
there are a few things not quite right with it. in the long term look at the temps that area has been rasing a bit over time. I am not sure if i still have some of the responses to it saved from the online stuff i get or not,( sice the story came out months ago)
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things happen, don't litter and don't waste. recycle and then roll the bones. the planet has been here longer than we have... it will be fine.
what is that, a hunch? what is that based on? We also used to believe we could pollute as much as possible and fish as much as possible without any affect on water quality or food availabilty too because the oceans are so big. Would you also suggest that is true? What year is this?

Do you guys actually believe that some undergraduate enviro science courses that we take gives us a more educated perspective on predominant scientific theories than the finest minds we have in the global scientific community that actually research these subjects for a living?

Scientists around the world have indicated for years now that we are affecting the environment, and honestly in a closed system(our planet) that is not prepared to handle rapid drastic changes(like the ones humanity inflicts on the environment since the industrial revolution) I don't see why that is so hard to believe. I think it's much more of a reach(and frankly an antiquated perspective) to suggest that we cannot in fact affect a closed-system environment like our planet.

Nobody is suggesting that science yields certainty on the first pass - although in essence scientific method is a self-correcting process over time - but we average joes are not the ones to determine anything as complex as the atmospheric impact of humanity....that's why, thankfully, we have real scientists to do the real research, and we just play with aquariums in our livingrooms. We can guess from our uneducated positions...but we should never be as short-sighted as to assume we have the answers that thousands of the finest scientific minds on the subject around the world for years have missed. Certainly not without an ounce of qualifications.

I'm sure there are some scientists who refute the predominant theory...but they have the burden of proving otherwise, not the average joe. So unless any of us have a doctorate in atmospheric or environmental science from Harvard or Cornell, along with years of published data to support our theory, and an entire scientific community to verify our data, we should accept predominant theories dictated by those who are actually qualified, don't you think?

We may in fact find out in the future that the theories of this particular article are off regarding localized temp differences in the Caribbean, but I'm referring to the general indication you gave that predominant science is way off and you have the real answers regarding humanity's impact on global environmental systems.

I agree with one thing: The planet is not going anywhere...and will likely be around long after humanity is gone...the question I guess is, how long until we are gone? What eventually causes the end of humanity on earth? And to what degree do we alter the planet's natural systems while we are here?

If we look far enough ahead...the sun will eventually burn out and prevent the continuation of life as we know it on this rock anyhow...but honestly the chances of so many other end-game scenarios is much greater.

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Unfortunately, there is no way to discuss this item without getting policital, so I'm going to close it, but I'm going to include an interesting tidbit I saw yesterday.

http://epw.senate.gov/speechitem.cfm...=rep&id=263759
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