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Old 02-27-2012, 11:29 PM   #1
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Chromis death/ wierd fish behavior.


I have a relatively new tank. Three months up and running. Refugium, sump, phosphate reactor, skimmer...200 gal and all the bells and whistles.

Corals from frog tip, zooanthias, torch, monopora, duncans, bta, gorgonia, brain all thriving and have been for 6 weeks. All rapidly growing.

Water levels PH 8.0, nitrites 0, ammonia 0, nitrates 0-1 maybe, salinty 1.024 - 1.0245, phosphates 0.25.

Add calcium, iron mag, iodine all the stuff I am supposed too.

I had a pair of beautiful blue chromis. They have been thriving for 5 weeks. As of yesterday they were both perfect. Today one was up by the outflow box dying. Had to remove it ..sad. Yes i get attached to fish.

I recently added a sailfin and and a naso - calm peaceful fish. I have wrasses that are thriving, pair of perculas, firefish and some anthas. Blood shrimps, skunk shrimps, hermits, turbos all thriving.

Why did my chromis suddenly die. Could the fish my dealer is getting be unhealthy from the get go? Every antha I buy from him is 50/50. They look great going in and then suddenly they dont eat for weeks and starve whereas others thrive.

I dont understand what is going on with these fish. I have had firefish disappear, No predators, havent jumped etc.

I know its only a chromis, but a PERFECTLY healthy thriving fish suddenly not moving and gasping? Anthas that wont eat?

I am truly at a loss and would love some guidance. These fish cant have 2 month durations and then die. I have one clownfish with what I think is 2-3 ick spots. She is very healthy - been feeding here Dr G's medicated food - no other fish in the tank has it (I have a UV light)

Do I have some disease in the tank I dont know about or is it just plain ol crap luck and maybe I should buy my fish elsewhere?

Help me please.

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Old 02-28-2012, 12:20 AM   #2
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How many fish in total are in your tank now? When did you add the first fish? What fish was it?
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:51 AM   #3
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I'm going to throw out there that it sounds like you have a whole lot of livestock in a very young tank. It could be stability and maturity issues. I would recommend letting your tank play catch up and mature. Hopefully you won't have any more problems.

Sorry about your fish. I get attached to them too.
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Old 02-28-2012, 07:59 AM   #4
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Someone told me once that you can add 6 chromies, 12 chromies, or even 24 chromies!....and you'll end up with just one. I bought 6....and have 1
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Old 02-28-2012, 10:48 AM   #5
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Thanks for the replies! Let me see if I can hit each point.

1) Newer tank - I agree - I dont think its established enough. The irony is down the road I think it will be a better system. Im thrilled the corals are doing so well. And I mean really well. They should only get better as the tank matures.

2) I ohnly have all this livestock because the dealer said it owuld be ok. The dealer I know personally so I dont think its a "I want to sell you everything." But I also agree the tank needs set up time.

3) I do think the maturity of the tank is why I am having troubles withthe anthas. Some do really well. Others refuse ot eat.

4) I was told chromis are shoaling fish and should never be housed in numbers under 3. Are you saying they will always just end up with one? Other then the occasioanly chase around the tank, the chromis did really really well together.

I currently have in a 200 gallon system the following fish

Naso tank, sailfin tang, 2 perculas, 1 blue chromis, 2 purple firefish, 1 red firefish, leopard wrasse, flame wrasse, 2 pink anthas, 1 yellow antha (wont eat), 2 red-cheeked anthas (1 eats 1 wont), 3 small purple anthas (happy wont eat), 2 blod shrimp, 2 skunk, 1 arrow crab, a few emerald crabs, red legged hermits, blue legged and turbo snails. Corals bla bla.

None of the fish are large - maybe the sailfin and naso at 5 inches top length.

Sounds like a lot but it is a deep square tank. Maybe it is. Tons of swimming room.

Wait 2-3 more months before adding anything? I will be adding a small carpet for the perculas. My tank seems to be a haven for corals and anemones.

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Old 02-28-2012, 11:05 AM   #6
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Personally I think that your tank is too young for what's in it. I'd lay low for another 2-3 months at least.

As for the chromies..I was told they're schooling too, but they never did and I have one left as predicted. FWIW, he's doing great with the other fish.

I also rushed things and lost a lot because of my impatience. My next tank will sit for at least 4 months before I even add a clean up crew!
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Old 02-28-2012, 11:11 AM   #7
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I have been wanting to add a small school of chromis and all I read is you will eventually end up with one no matter how many you start with. Schooling seems works great in the ocean where one can relocate to a different school. In our relatively small tanks it seems only a matter of time. Just my opinion on what I read on the various forums.
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Old 02-28-2012, 11:15 AM   #8
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I am going to have to agree, too many too soon. I would also wait before adding anything, I have read over and over that Nem's need a tank that has been going at least 6mths, a year is better.

Anthias are hard to get to eat from what I have researched, they are zooplanton eaters. I would try some frozen cyclopeeze, I have had some really good luck with my picky eaters with these.

I have 4 chromis and so far so good, they have been in the tank for 5 to 6 months, they were added as a group.

I don't know if the system will be a better system or not, my worry is that with all the stock and new system shock, it is capable of a disease wipeout. Just my thought though. (been there) I also listened to a friend who was a long term reefer, who had me adding fish every two weeks, needless to say I learned real quick, too soon too fast.
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Old 02-28-2012, 11:51 AM   #9
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I agree with all of you. I am not adding anything for the next 2-3 months. If anything dies...it dies. The tank is just over three months old. I have coralline algae growing so its going along nicely but in terms of maturity...it is young.

In terms of antha eating..tried cyclopeeze all of it. I add phytoplankton. All of it. Does not matter.

Am I too understand that I am dealing with really a young young tank and that is all of my problems? And by problems it is only some fish related - nothing with the corals and inverts which are going nuts.

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Old 02-28-2012, 12:01 PM   #10
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I think when we add fish that fast, we are not giving the previously added fish time to settle down and claim a area for themselves, therefore keeping a constant state of stress. Stress in our tanks, can be a killer. I am not trying to sound preachy, please don't take it that way, when I first started on here a lady, who is no longer here, was very very blunt and nasty. Cruel almost. Trying to help is all.

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