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Old 04-15-2002, 09:27 PM   #1
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Caribbean urchin injury


OK, I normally wouldn't ask about this but since I don't know what I am sealing with I thought I should ask.

When snorkeling in Mexico a few weeks ago, I got jabbed three times in my lower thigh by a large black long-spined urchin. It didn't hurt me at all really, although the spots turned black and it looked worse than it felt. I treated them (there were three points where the spines went in) with vinegar and I thought that was over with. But now, a few weeks later, the spots are large and red and they have formed themselves into lumps. They still don't hurt, it's just that I don't know if this is normal or not, could anyone tell me? Thanks.

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Old 04-15-2002, 09:37 PM   #2
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Hi Drew! In the following link it says you should see a doctor if redness occurs, etc:
http://www.aloha.com/~lifeguards/als...html#seaurchin

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Spines might contain some venom and bring infections. Very few fatal cases were reported (usually from respiratory problems), but most cases bring mild to severe pain for few hours to infections that could last for months, especially is pieces of spines are left in the wound. Removal of spines should be done surgically or with extreme caution not to break them more into the wound

SEA URCHINS:

(The black long-spine urchin, Diadema Setosum is the most venomous variety; The red sea urchins such as Toxpneustes Elegans and Asthenosoma Jimoni produce milder symptoms.)

REGION:

In warm waters, Abundant on ocean floor and cling to rocks and coral, wrecks ect. Injury from spine is most common. Venumus urchins can be very dangerous.

DIAGNOSIS:

The spines penetrate soft tissues and produce redness, swelling, and intense burning the venomous spine or pedicellariae have poisonous tips and 3 pronged biting teeth which cling long after detachment.

SYMPTOMS:

Traumatic injuries of the skin by spines of sea urchins without envenomation are well known. They may break off in a puncher wound causingconsiderable local reaction, often givs rise to infection. Some spines are absorbed within 16 to 48hr, where as other may need to be removed surgically. Both the venomous and nonvenomous spines can give rise to granulomatous nodular lesions. Injuries by pedicellariae, immediate intense pain, localized swelling and redness about the wound, an aching sensation in the involved part, nausea and syncopy.

IN SEVERE CASES:

Difficulties in respiration, parasthesia about the mouth with some atonia of the muscles of the lips, tongue, larynx and eyelids and sometimes the muscles of the limbs. Complete atonia and ataxia may occur.

TREATMENT:

Remove spines immediately with forceps, pedicellariae must be searched out and also promptly removed; brittle tips may break off and if not absorbed within 48 hours must be surgically excised; purple discoloration at the point of injury is a pigment of the spine and is not dangerous although often worrisome to the patient; Shoes and gloves offer little protection from the spines; the diver or swimmer should avoid contact with these urchins.

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Old 04-15-2002, 09:39 PM   #3
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That doesn't sound good to me. I am not a doctor, but if they are red, then an infection is likely in the area. The lump shape makes me suspect that a portion of them is still inside. It means that a doctor may have to open them up and drain them.

Sorry, but I would get them checked out soon.


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Old 04-15-2002, 09:56 PM   #4
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Thanks you guys, that helped a lot. I actually have had a very irritating aching in that thigh over the last few days, although I have just started practicing hard at soccer, so I guess that could be it too. Aww man, this could suck. Thanks though. Hey...Anybody wanna see a pic?

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Old 04-15-2002, 10:00 PM   #5
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Get thee to the dr. tomorrow!!!
Certainly sounds like an infection or an abcess. Urchin spines, like saltwater catfish spikes (I know about them ) can break and leave parts that can setup serious infections, as Homer and Johnny said.
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Yes, Drew; please go to the Dr. ASAP. If they can't get you in at your regular Dr.'s office, go to emergency.

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Hey Drew! The pic might be a good one for the archives!! Johnny
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OK, I'm going tomorrow, thanks for the help everyone!
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Old 04-15-2002, 10:44 PM   #9
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Drew..from what I know..the body should "absorb" any pieces of the urchin left in the skin. Doesn't sound like this is working in your case...might be too deep.

Go to the doc!

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Old 04-16-2002, 04:57 PM   #10
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Thank you everybody, I just got back from the doc with an antibiotic. The doctor said it was her first ever sea urchin case and I think was pretty amused by it.

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Old 04-16-2002, 07:33 PM   #11
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The doctor said it was her first ever sea urchin case........
I'd say she has more experience with foot injuries caused by cows up there in the Great Land O' Cheese than urchin wounds!
Hope the antibio's take care of it for you!
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Hey Drew! Glad to hear you went to the Doctor! Hopefully those antibotics will take care of the problem! Johnny
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You made her day Drew.. did she give you a fee break for having something new ???
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