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Old 04-20-2012, 01:21 AM   #1
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Can you make my sump quiet?


I have two tanks. There are 4 pictures. (I hope they work). They are very noisy. I get the bubble sound if I place it below the water. I get the splash sound if it is above the water. I put the loop in the flex that seemed to help but it is still loud. Can you make it silent?

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I will try any ideas.
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Old 04-20-2012, 02:57 AM   #2
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Stick the hose in the water.. so its right off the bottom.
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Old 04-20-2012, 03:11 AM   #3
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I have mine bottomed out on some filter floss in the sump and that seems to work rather well. I have been "tuning" my tank and sumPs sound for the last few days and found that to work well. Next step for me may be to add ball valves to throttle down my flow a bit, which is what I assume is being accomplished by the filter floss right now.
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Old 04-20-2012, 07:23 AM   #4
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The secret is to let the air out above water and let the water out below water.
To do this, make it so the hose enters at an angle and cut a vent hole some where above the water line. This is the purpose of the hole in the top of the blue hose shown here:

http://www.thereeftank.com/gallery/s...mageuser=14753


Another method is to have the hose enter a chamber that is sealed up so sound can't escape.
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Old 04-22-2012, 02:52 AM   #5
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This is what I tried. it enters the sump at a 45 degree angle. Still way to much noise.

I think one of the problems I am having is the stand that the tanks sit on have no back to them. So there is a 4" gap between the tank and the wall. Without a back its like leaving the sump doors open all the time.

The other thing I notice with this design is the water is still running way to fast. The bubbles shoot out the end and it is not any quieter.

Do you have an designs for a sealed box?




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The secret is to let the air out above water and let the water out below water.
To do this, make it so the hose enters at an angle and cut a vent hole some where above the water line. This is the purpose of the hole in the top of the blue hose shown here:

http://www.thereeftank.com/gallery/s...mageuser=14753


Another method is to have the hose enter a chamber that is sealed up so sound can't escape.
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Old 04-22-2012, 10:14 AM   #6
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Oh that makes a difference too ... I cut up some masonite board to fit tightly between the wall and tank/stand surfaces to enclose the noise. Yo can even duct tape it in place to make a tighter seal.

The sound box I just threw out a while ago, so I have no picture. But basically it was a small plastic box about 5x6x8 inches with a latchable cover I found at wallyworld for a buck or three. I cut the cover to tightly accept the hose and cut a few holes in the bottom to let the water out and filled it with filter floss ... hell of a sound muffler as the floss eats the water sound and the air escapes around the hose/cover.

From your picture, I would not expect to buy a perfect box unless you can set it up higher and hose down to your sump, but if you are handy with acrylic, you can make a custom cover to mate your sump that will do the same thing.
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Old 04-30-2012, 01:11 AM   #7
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update #2. I have noticed that my tanks are quiet except right after a water change. My nitrates were so high I was doing a 30 gallon change every other day. Now it is normal here is what I noticed.

for 24 Hours after I do a water change. Tried RO tried Tap water with the conditioner and tried a home filter clorine remover. All seem to do the same thing. After the water new water is added to the tank my protinen skimmer kinda stops working I can see the bubbles but they seem not to rise to the top and pop. I notice alot of micro bubbles in the tank and it gets about 200% louder.

after 24 hours skimmer starts working and it gets quiet enough I can here the vibration of the pumps.

Any ideas why???
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Old 04-30-2012, 08:48 AM   #8
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any purpose for your sump other than getting water to the skimmer? What type of skimmer on what size tank? return pump size? chemicals and conditioners in water can kill the foam head.
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:23 AM   #9
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only take the amount of water to your sump that your skimmer can handle.
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:41 AM   #10
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any purpose for your sump other than getting water to the skimmer? What type of skimmer on what size tank? return pump size? chemicals and conditioners in water can kill the foam head.
Sumps are great places to put heaters, top off equipment, probes, dosing chemicals and equipment etc.

If I remember correctly, Geoff said he recommends 4x (or more I suppose) the tank volume through the sump per hour, and as much of that (all preferably) to go through the skimmer. So it sounds like the skimmer is the deciding factor.

Picking a skimmer is about as much fun as picking legal council IMO ... they might all know law, but a particular one might get you out of jail much better. As such I yield selection to those who know much more than I.
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Old 04-30-2012, 09:50 AM   #11
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when i looked at skimmers, I could get two that run 500 GPH per unit for a total of 1000GPH for $400 or I could buy a larger skimmer that ran 650GPH but cost $600.

The GPH handled matters a lot. Both amount of water skimmed and the quality of the machine will drive skimming effectiveness.
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Old 04-30-2012, 12:11 PM   #12
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I only use the sump to put a small fan to help with heat and the skimmer. I have a coralife 220 LINK HERE. The pump says its pump is 500 gph. The return pump is Link Here.

The Tank is 150 Gallon bow front. They are both setup identical.

At first I thought it was the chemicals. So I tried RO water and it didnt seem to make a difference. I also tried one of these. Link Here. Says it removes chlorine so I had to try it.

It only happens for about 24 hours then everything settles down. With two tanks going in my small living room you cant understand the TV.

When its noisy the foam head on the skimmer does not work but after 24 hours everything is normal again.
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Old 04-30-2012, 02:25 PM   #13
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if you want 4x flow through your skimmer you will want a skimmer like the reef dynamics ins 300 for each tank. or similar size from another mfg. your coralife flows somewhere around 100 to 150 gph giveor take. the gph of your pump is not the amount of water flow through your skimmer. with your current skimmer you can cut your flow to 200 gph through your sump. your skimmer is way too small for your tank. imo a skimmer that processes 2.5 to 3 times water volume per hour will proveto be big enough for each tank. then you run the flow to about 300 to 450 gph to match skimmer volume.
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Old 04-30-2012, 02:36 PM   #14
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I think that SPA tubing is your problem. Its to flexible and translates noise to much. Re-do it with rigid and do some sort of diffuser to separate out the air and the water. I'll snap a pic of mine later. All i have is a low volume fizz from the micro-bubbles and my sump is completely open.
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Old 04-30-2012, 03:11 PM   #15
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Awesome! When I receive the pictures I will redo mine. The only reason I used the flex is because I was playing around with the loop before I purchased the pvc. It would be nice to see yours and give me an idea. My project night is Tuesday night so I can do it then.


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I think that SPA tubing is your problem. Its to flexible and translates noise to much. Re-do it with rigid and do some sort of diffuser to separate out the air and the water. I'll snap a pic of mine later. All i have is a low volume fizz from the micro-bubbles and my sump is completely open.
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