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Old 04-04-2005, 11:46 AM   #1
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Is there such a thing as a butterfly that can be safely kept with zoos, polyps, and soft coral?

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Old 04-04-2005, 02:00 PM   #2
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not that i know of but i am not a butterfly person..
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Old 04-04-2005, 02:09 PM   #3
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here is some info various ones you might beable to get a way with

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/bfselfaqs.htm
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Old 04-04-2005, 02:47 PM   #4
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I believe banner fish are safe
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Old 04-04-2005, 04:36 PM   #5
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I believe banner fish are safe
yes and no.

there are two species one is "reef" safe the other is not. they are virtually identical. one is a coral eater the other is a planktonivor.

Henniochus acuminatus-is not reef save.
Henniochus diphreutes-is reef safe.

it is up to you to figure out how to tell the difference.

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Old 04-04-2005, 04:38 PM   #6
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ahh yes I remember hearing this
I think one is a schooling fish and one isn't right?
I didn't think they were identical in appearance though
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Old 04-04-2005, 04:39 PM   #7
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somewhat corresponding question
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/prognathodes.htm
do the pictures here work for everybody else
all the butterflies don't show up for me!?!?
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nope did not work for me either.

they do look slightly different, but it is a learned skill. it takes practice.

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Old 04-04-2005, 04:57 PM   #9
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I believe banner fish are safe
Make sure that you get the Heniochus diphruetes, which are planktivores, and not the Heniochus acuminatus, which are polyp eaters. these two are often misidentified, make sure you get your specimens from a VERY reputable dealer, and actually see the specimens eat prior to purchase.

If the dealer doesn't show any concern or suggest that there is an issue when you mention that they are going into a reef tank, then you need to be going to another dealer. One hint in ID, Most of the H. diphreutes are coming into the US from Hawaii or the Maldives. Adult specimens have a more rounded belly under the mouth, which protrudes more like a beak than the H. acuminatus, which has a more straight belly and forehead which meet to rorm a straight angle at the oral opening.

Other butterflyfishes that are primarily planktivores (make sure you read this to them before releasing them into the tank ):
  • Lemon Butterflyfishes (Chaetodon miliaris)
  • St. Helena Butterflyfishes (C. sanctaehelenae)
  • Smith's butterflyfishes (C. smithi)
  • Pyramid butterflyfishes (Hemitaurichthys spp.)
Other Chaetodontids feed primarily on benthic inverts (including coral polyps) and regularly supplement their diet with zooplankton. A few act as cleaners as adults, although many species also start their lives as cleaners as well for larger fishes while they are juveniles. I might add as a personal note that in captive systems where feeding is limited, most of these fishes could prolly still be pushed to eat polyps given either infrequent scheduling or low quantities of feedings, although I have not witnessed this personally.

A few other butterflyfishes are not corralivores either, but may have very specialized diets that may preclude their husbandry in most captive systems. these include the snouted invertebrate feeders of the genera Chelmon, chelmonops, Forsipinger, and Prognathodes. These fishes use their snouts to feed on noncoralline invertebrates in the cracks and crevasses of reef rock and corals to include fan worms, polychaetes, and small crustaceans from the benthos, although some may be limited to ascidians, sponges, and hydroides (see the Japanese Highfin Coralfish (Coradion altivelis).

Juvenile diets may differ markedly from the adult of a specie, so a young fish introduced to a system eating zooplankton foodstuffs may suddenly change months after apparently good non-polyp consumption into a raging coralivore. Keep this in mind if your thining about acquiring a specimen and the LFS says, "Watch this (y'all)" as he/she feeds zooplankton to your desired specimen...


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