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Old 10-08-2006, 01:28 PM   #1
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Just looking for pos/neg experiences with this unit. Getting ready to set up a 125 and am looking for a good hob skimmer. LFS was pushing this unit really hard....so I thought I'd run it past the TRT before buying.

http://www.freedomaquarium.com/site/

Any feedback would be welcome!

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Old 10-08-2006, 01:37 PM   #2
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Unless you want everything as compact as possible

your probably better off with a good HOB skimmer like aqua C or the Coralife and an extra PH for some flow!

However it looks like a cool idea...to bad it didn't pull surface water to feed the skimmer

I take you are not planning a sump then!
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Old 10-08-2006, 01:45 PM   #3
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So how much do these run??
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Old 10-08-2006, 01:50 PM   #4
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I couldn't give exact dollar amounts...... but there are two different sized units... $200- $300 plus depending on unit puts you in the ball park. Sorry I can't give a more precise dollar amount.
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At that price....and for your 125 gallon tank....I would definitly do a Aqua C Remora Pro w/ overflow box and some sort of water movement device like PH's or seios or tunze.

This won't be any harder to install and you will have much better skimming and and much more water flow and control of it! Plus no worries or overflowing skimmer or anything with the Aqua C as well!

Just my .02 and the costs will be about the same!
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Old 10-08-2006, 01:59 PM   #6
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Before dropping the coin down, I figured that people w/ more experience might be able to spot 'snake oil' better then I.

Def. will take a look at the Aqua C. First time shopping for hob skimmer, old tank had sump.

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Old 10-08-2006, 02:12 PM   #7
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I agree with everything 110 said. They dont mention any details about the skimmer which would concern me for one. The fact that the skimmer is run off the same pump that provides flow in the tank doesnt really sound all that good either.

A GOOD skimmer and a couple powerhead coming from different directions most likely will do a far better job of skimming and flow in the tank, two very important things.
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Old 10-08-2006, 02:13 PM   #8
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I know absolutely nothing about this product but I checked out their website and have these comments:

If you look at the thing....it hangs INSIDE THE TANK. According to the website, you need the pro model which measures 24" x 7.5" x 4.5". Are you sure you want some black box that big inside your tank?

The picture tends to indicate that the magdrive pump is sending water up a pipe which has a "T" in it. If so, that means that some dirty water gets sent straight out to the tank without ever touching the protein skimmer.

Additional point on the protein skimmer. This unit is feeding the protein skimmer water from the bottom of the tank. Where are the majority of the hydrophobic skimmable materials going to be? Obviously, at the surface of the tank. This appears to be a second major design flaw. I could easily see a problem with protein scum on top of your water blocking both light and Dissolved Oxygen because this unit has no way of taking the dirty water from the surface.

Points 4 and 5 are laughable.

Point 4....It is best to run carbon actively. However, not everyone can do that and are forced to run it passively. This carbon pack is probably the most passive design that I could imagine. The whole back of the pack is stuck against the back wall of the filter....how can water flow through?

Point 5....Biological filtration. Yep, that will work. Detritus will accumulate on the sponge and rot producing Ammonia. Bacteria will convert it into Nitrate, then other bacteria will convert the Nitrite into Nitrate. Then because it looks darn near impossible to clean that sponge, you have put nonstop Nitrate factory into your tank. The goal of Biological Filtration is to absorb Ammonia that your fish and inverts produce....not create it's own Ammonia.

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Old 10-08-2006, 02:13 PM   #9
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The coralife SS is a good HOB as well. A little cheaper than aqua c

These look like nice units, just at the cost and your size tank I would risk it!
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lol. Mantis freak spent a little more time looking at the unit than i did. Again, agree on all counts. : )
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Point 5....Biological filtration. Yep, that will work. Detritus will accumulate on the sponge and rot producing Ammonia. Bacteria will convert it into Nitrate, then other bacteria will convert the Nitrite into Nitrate. Then because it looks darn near impossible to clean that sponge, you have put nonstop Nitrate factory into your tank. The goal of Biological Filtration is to absorb Ammonia that your fish and inverts produce....not create it's own Ammonia.

yeah you would definitly want to leave the foam sponges out!
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Everyone's points on this thread were equally valid points. Heck, I nominate this product for TRT's Worst Product of the Month award.
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Thx MantisFreak, this is exactly what I was looking for.

Now the search continues.... would the Aqua C Remora Pro w/ overflow (and obviously the Mag-Drive) be able to handle the tank, or would I need two.

Flow doesn't seem to be that big of an issue but I'd like your guys opinion on this as well. I have 5 Maxi-jet 1200s and plan on running an Eheim Pro II for added circulation. Planning on using the cannister for flow only and carbon when needed.
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The aqua C remore Pro comes with a Mag 3 pump!
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Old 10-08-2006, 02:24 PM   #15
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Oh I used the Aqua C urchin pro (in sump design) same as the remora on my 110 and it worked great. The Coralife SS 220 may be better as it is a little bigger...though I am not a pro on the coralife's!

I now have a big ASM G3 though which pulls about 2x the gunk of the Aqua C
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