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Old 12-12-2006, 03:45 PM   #1
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125 Gallon Reef build


I am in the research mode of my build.. I have the tank, stand/canopy, URI VHO tubes and a MH 175 watt ballast. I am trying to put together a list of things I need.. and the best prices on each item.. also would like input on whether the equipment I have in mind is going to work for my setup.

following is a list I have been working on. Let me know what ya think.

Lighting
660 IceCap $179.00 from Aquacon $149.99 http://www.innovativelights.com/ic660elflba.html $149.95 www.reeftanksupply.com
175 watt MH ballasts x 2 $400.00 from aquacon. $151.00 from http://www.residential-landscape-lig.../more_info.asp
175 watt bulb 14K? x 3 $179.97 from aquacon.com


Filtering
Return Pump Mag 12 $159.00 from Aquacon $97.00 from reeftanksupply.com
Overflow Box CPR CS100 Overflow Box $97.99 at marinedepot
Skimmer Kent Marine Nautilus TE with pump Sale Price $229.00 aquacon.com
Powerheads Taam Seio Super Flow Pump M1100 $62.95 each at marinedepot.com

Misc.
Heaters 250 watt x 2 WON BROTHERS $25.95 each at marinedepot $51.90
Live Sand 100 pounds? aquacon.com $200.00
Live Rock 100 pounds? seatrademarine.com $450.00 $398.00 at marinecenter.com
Refractometer Marine Depot Refractometer $49.99
Salt 160-200 gallon bucket
RO/DI System $155.00 - OCEAN WAVE+ FIVE STAGE 75 GPD RO/DI http://www.thefilterguys.biz/
PH,Alk and Ca Testers
Pocket TDS Mini Meter $29.95 Marinedepot
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:07 PM   #2
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:16 PM   #3
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What type of corals are you looking to keep?

If the tank isn't full yet I would drill the back instead of using a HOB overflow. You can drill about 2" from the top trim and put a bulkhead there. Use a 90 degree elbow with a strainer on the end. I would have one at each end. You could also silicone in a coast to coast verflow or 2 small overflow boxes to conceal the bulkheads as well.

I prefer not to rely on the syphon on a HOB overflow to never fail or get blocked.

I would also look into a different skimmer like an ASM G4 or Euro reef.

Don't forget good reflectors to go with your MH. Running 175's on a 125 gallon tank I would look into luminarcs. A little expensive but will get much more light evenly distributed in your tank.

Skip the live sand and start with dead sand. The live rock will seed it real quick. You can also start with mostly dry rock to save money, again a little live rock would seed it.
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:17 PM   #4
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What kind of corals do you plan on keeping???

For hardly not much mnore money you can get 250 watt and be able to keep anything. If it is a 6' tank........i think you need 3 of them instead of two.

I would do some more research on you rlighting....those ballasts also look like they dont come in a case....so that will be additional expense.

Icecap electronic ballasts are some of the best. You can get the 250 w ballasts for $110 apiece IN a case if you look around.

No sense in cutting corners here.......buy it once and you wont have to upgrade again no matter what your goals for this tank are or what they change to.

I would also recommend drilling the tank. If you dont, that HOB overflow failing will always be in the back of your mind. I used them for a long time and they never failed me...but it was always a concern and a PITA.

IF you still want to do the HOB overflow.......i have a CS-102 plumbed with unions and flwx pipe all the way to the sump AND a aqualifter pump to hold the siphon($135 total in parts) i will let go for $70 shipped. I dont recommend it...but if you really dont want to drill...there is some money to be saved to apply to that 3rd ballast you need. ; )

dont buy live sand. its a waste of money and why start with sand that is already potentially dirty. Buy new dry aragonite. It will become live soon enough on its own.

i would try to buy the live rock from someone local to you if possible.

It looks like an awesome project and like your serious.

Good luck. : )
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:32 PM   #5
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Thanks for the comments mg and Fly Guy. I have one ballast already which is a 175 watt. so in all after I would buy two more I would have 3x175watt MH. thanks for the tip on the livesand.. I bet that will save me some money right there. as far as buying liverock local.. the only place that is relatively close to me wants 10 bucks per pound.. I could spend a grand on that stuff easily.. well as far as drilling the tank.. I am concerned about whether its tempered glass or not.. I actually would prefer to have built in overflows. also.. what do you guys think about me using a 29 tall as my sump? this I can see will present problems aswell if I want to use an external pump, skimmer and so on.. or is it possible that I could drill the sides of that tank aswell? I do want to do this right the first time.. and as far as what kinds of corals I want to keep.. I am not sure right now.. it will likely have softies and LPS in it.. oh and the tank is a standard 72" x 18" tank. As far as fish I will keep in it.. well.. I will maybe put the small scopas tang I have in my 55 in there once the 125 is cycled and stable.. I am really worried about getting everything just right.. as I don't want to deal with out of control cyano and algae. I have never had a tank of this size before so I am a little lost as to what I should or shouldnt do. Thanks!
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:38 PM   #6
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Have you checked the TCMAS forum here at TRT???

They have more member activity there than the General reef discussion does here.

There are a bunch of knowledgalel and helpful people there from all over MN I believe......im willing to bet you cna find a hook up for some great seasoned rock there. Save yourself a bunch of money there.

How TALL is a 30 gallon tall??

We didnt talk about skimmers. This is important.

IMO....get the biggest ASM you could fit in the sump you end up with.

Its going to cost more than the skimmer you mentioned but it will perform for you

I like them. Set it and forget it. Granted they arent going to pull out as much as a beckett skimmer tuned properly...but thats the key....you dont have to mess with it every day to get it to work well....EVERY day
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:41 PM   #7
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For my 125 I use a 50G sump, the bigger the sump the more room you have to work with

3*175 W/ VHO is a good setup for your plan of LPS and softies.

Remember the tank itself is the chepest part of this build, and it is the most difficult thing to replace! I would seriousally reccomend you have someone drill it now, or replace it with a RR model. Don't make the same mistake I did Also, don't set your RR tank up as fresh water and your normal one salt, I still don't know how the heck that happened

I would go with at least Seio 1500's for the Powerheads for intank flow.

I would seriousally re-consider your choice of skimmer too. If you want to keep it simple then I think the ASM G3 is a much better choice, it's cheap too. I personally would go with (And did go with) A MRC MR-2 though it's more difficult to setup.

Click the link in my sig for info on my 125.

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Old 12-14-2006, 01:08 PM   #8
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wow.. thanks guys. I have no problem adjusting a skimmer everyday.. as I already do that now.. (needle wheel modded Seaclone 100). I like the thought of a skimmer that will really hold its own and if the MRC MR-2 is that skimmer I am interested. I see it runs around $300.00 give or take.. what pump should I use on that skimmer? The 29 tall is the standard height AGA whatever they are. How do I tell if the back of my 125 is tempered or not? and how do I drill it without breaking the tank? Fly Guy.. I may take you up on your overflow offer. I succesfully ran one on a 55 gallon Reef tank (bad experience that tank was) I had a few years ago. and only had it run over once when a big old stupid snail got sucked into the U-tube. LOL
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Old 12-14-2006, 01:09 PM   #9
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well as far as drilling the tank.. I am concerned about whether its tempered glass or not.. I actually would prefer to have built in overflows.
Only the bottom is tempered normally.
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Old 12-14-2006, 01:12 PM   #10
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wow.. thanks guys. I have no problem adjusting a skimmer everyday.. as I already do that now.. (needle wheel modded Seaclone 100). I like the thought of a skimmer that will really hold its own and if the MRC MR-2 is that skimmer I am interested. I see it runs around $300.00 give or take.. what pump should I use on that skimmer? The 29 tall is the standard height AGA whatever they are. How do I tell if the back of my 125 is tempered or not? and how do I drill it without breaking the tank? Fly Guy.. I may take you up on your overflow offer. I succesfully ran one on a 55 gallon Reef tank (bad experience that tank was) I had a few years ago. and only had it run over once when a big old stupid snail got sucked into the U-tube. LOL
Who makes your tank?

I would seriousally give another thought to the idea of a 50G 4 foot sump.

The MRC MR-2 works best on the GenX PCX-55 pump IME. It's very important to have a big pressure rated pump to drive a beckett skimmer properly.

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Only the bottom is tempered normally.
ok.. so I wouldnt have to worry about it then?

Is it normal for a 125 to not have a center brace?
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FWIW......dont think that just because the ASM is a needlewheel skimmer, that it performs ANYTHING like your Seaclone.

As far as the centerbrace...no, that is NOT normal and needs seriously evaluated before moving forward
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Woh! No center brace????? Mine has 2.

Have they been cut out?

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FWIW......dont think that just because the ASM is a needlewheel skimmer, that it is ANYTHING like your Seaclone.
Good point. The ASM G3 is a very good skimmer, much better than any seaclone could ever be.

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Old 12-14-2006, 01:25 PM   #15
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Is this an older 125 with no bracing? If it is I am not sure about the glass being tempered or not. Do you know the Manufacturer and date? Sometimes this is listed on a tag on the bottom of the tank or by a corner somewhere.
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