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Old 01-23-2005, 11:39 PM   #1
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VHO Lighting and SPS advice.


I was wondering what types of sps would do well under vho lighting. I have a montipora digi? that I got from Derek a couple months ago and that thing is growing like crazy. Just wondering what other types of sps I could keep with my lighting.

440 watts vho over a 75 gallon.

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Old 01-24-2005, 07:59 AM   #2
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I have VHO lighting and have acropora and monti cap that are growing super fast. I think as long as you keep them toward the top with good flow and kalk and strontium additions, you can keep anything that catches your eye. (The tri-color acro I got at the Nov. meeting is encrusted onto the surrounding rock in several places and is really got nice color.)

Jeremiah, think about adding two more lamps of VHO if you can fit it. Things will really take off. (make both blue to come on in the morning and evening then cut back the 440 to 9 or 10 hours.) Of course, it's a money issue as well, but I know you like zoos and LPS as well, and the added blue will really make your colors pop and you'll still have enough white light to keep the excellent growth you're already getting.
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Old 01-24-2005, 08:50 AM   #3
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I was wondering what light spectrum/bulbs you are using?
I am planning on going with 2 - 72" 50/50 2- 48" Super Actinic and 1- 48" Aquasun all bulbs by URI. Total wattage should be 660 on my 125 or 5.28 watts per gallon. Anythign you guys would do different? How far are your bulbs off the water?
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Old 01-24-2005, 09:03 AM   #4
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This is just my experience/opinion. I am/will be using a roughly 68% super actinic and 32% actinic bulb combo. Six VHO bulbs across a 125. 4/2 split. I'm not using any aquasun. Idea for ME is not to necessarily mimic the sun, but rather the light spectrum on reefs where my corals come from. I have only a minimal interest in SPS and my primary interest is exotic and rare LPS. If you prefer SPS and a few LPS then MH's with VHO compliment is better (or T-5). Some exotic LPS shrink away from MH lighting. I only have so much room to shade or give indirect light to my corals so my combo works best for me. I don't dislike MH"s in fact that's what I have over my 85 hex where I will keep more SPS and anemones.
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Old 01-24-2005, 09:17 AM   #5
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I add B-ionic and it seems to be working great. What does strontium do? Any other additives for SPS that I should know about. I have 6 watts per gallon is that enough?(Vho 1 day, 1 blue)
I just got a tank raised sterotopora (sp?) Its quite lively. The polyps are fully extended, Ive only had it 2 weeks but its looks great.
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Old 01-24-2005, 09:26 AM   #6
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Corals need strontium to lay down their new growth. Not familiar with B-ionic so I can't answer whether it's already in there or not. Need to dose calcium and strontium to get good growth. Some just do frequent water changes and I suppose it's about results, so whatever works, but I think if you dose AND do water changes you'll get the best results.
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Old 01-24-2005, 10:53 AM   #7
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With VHOs, many of your really high light acropora just aren't going to do much for you. However, Acropora Millepora types ususually will color up pretty decent. Acroporas that are blue/teal/or purple you will have a very hardtime trying to maintain that color, VHO just can't achieve an intense enough to maintain. There may be some exceptions but very few. Some Acropora Staghorns will do fine, depending on the coral some will look more drab than others.

Non Acroporas like pocillipora, Hydnophora, Pavona,stylophoras, birdsnest all will do pretty well. Porites will live but likely stay drab. Those are the types I would more concentrate on with just VHOs. Yellow porites for example will be much darker, your purple porites types that can be stunning purple under MH, will be very dark in color.

With Montipora there are so many types and some many lighting requirements it really depends on the specific coral. Orange digitata does real well, Purple you probably have a tough time keeping a solid purple color. Many Montipora Caps will do okay but green with purple rim type will likely loose the purple rim or be very faint light purple or white.

There can be exceptions to those generalizations based on other things than just Lighting for that's what you can generally expect.

I was a long time MH user that downsized and had VHOs until just recently changed them out for T5. I have had lots of experience with many type of SPS and can give you probably a better expectation than someone who hasn't had experience with MH to know the true potiential of many corals that do 'okay' under VHO.

Too early to know if T5 will do better or not for Acroporas but I do like the fact that you get a more wider variety of bulbs to achieve lighting to your exact lighting personal preference vs. just the 3 types of URI brand VHO bulbs to choose from.

I haven't seen a real direct correlation between Strontium and growth. I do dose strontium and does help seed coraline algae that's for sure.....
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Old 01-24-2005, 11:57 AM   #8
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Thanks for the advice guys, really appreciate it.

I am thinking about trying 4 x 2ft T5's on this 29 gallon tank I have sitting here.
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Old 01-24-2005, 04:20 PM   #9
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Strontium is important for growth rates. When levels are increased in our tanks over that of the natural environment, growth rates increase in SPS and clams. Corals incorporate it in their skeletons along with calcium.
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Old 01-24-2005, 04:45 PM   #10
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I'm not denying it is beneficial. Based on my experiences, I think your giving strontium too much credit for growth. I have not observed any noticable increases in growth just with the addition of strontium. There are lots of people who don't use strontium and have no complaints about growth. Only obvious thing I have noticed from stontium is the increase of coraline growth.
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Old 01-24-2005, 05:01 PM   #11
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In my experience over the years of being diligent and lax depending on the season, I have noticed good growth while dosing strontium (and iodine) during periods when I'm not changing water like I should. I'm not saying it's do or die at all. From reading and my experience I think it's important none the less. During other times my corals have stunted or stopped growing when I'm not dosing. As I mentioned before, I think you can get good results with frequent water changes and dosing nothing. In short, the results I'm seeing now (excellent growth and having received damaged corals and had them recover, thrive and grow) are leading me to continue to do the same things I've been doing. (water changes, kalk, strontium and iodine.) Sprung and Swart both have good things to say about strontium and coral growth in acropora. Different tanks, different experiences.
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