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Old 05-09-2006, 10:51 PM   #1
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Looking for caulerpa


Anybody have caulerpa available? I'm starting a refugium.
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Old 05-09-2006, 11:56 PM   #2
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i'd recommend chaeto. it's not as pretty but a lot more effective in nutrient export.
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Old 05-10-2006, 07:45 AM   #3
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If you want caulerpa I woudl recomend the florida stuff like I have as it wont go nuts and is easy to remove.
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Old 05-10-2006, 02:19 PM   #4
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If you want caulerpa I woudl recomend the florida stuff like I have as it wont go nuts and is easy to remove.
do you know what species it is? might be interested.....
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Old 05-10-2006, 06:08 PM   #5
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Bill (capman) knew the name when he saw it. I have some for him too by the way Bill.
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Old 05-12-2006, 12:24 AM   #6
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PM me if you have extra chaeto or caulerpa that you are wanting to share or sell.
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Old 05-12-2006, 12:35 AM   #7
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I have some chaeto if you want some.
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Old 05-12-2006, 01:11 AM   #8
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Bill (capman) knew the name when he saw it. I have some for him too by the way Bill.
Caulerpa paspaloides....in my opinion probably the most beautiful of all the Caulerpa species, and the one I have encountered most frequently in seagrass beds in the Fl Keys near Big Pine Key. Simply a gorgeous "plant" when well-developed, and gets to be pretty huge. But it is more of a specimen plant (to be used sort of the way Amazon swords are used in freshwater tanks) than a good refugium species for nutrient control. It is finicky and quirky, and if not handled right it goes reproductive (sexual) and then you don't have it any more. You have to be diligent about "fragging" it on a frequent basis, or you eventually lose all of it. It is worth the hassle, but you need a lot of space for it to develop properly, and it really seems to like to "root" into sand.

I have another Caulerpa that I can't recall the name of offhand that I have only seen go sexual once in something like 6 years, and even then, only some of the individuals in the tank did this. It looks like a small-bladed version of C. prolifera. It is sort of a thorn in my side in my anemone tank. It is SO hard to control, but in a refugium where you wanted a big thicket of Caulerpa it would be terrific (as long as your main tank has herbivores that would keep stray bits of it from getting established there...the main reason it is a problem in my anemone tank is because I have no herbivores in there because I want to grow other macroalgae).

I think I also still have a sort of miniature version of grape Caulerpa in my really scuzzy, badly cared for marine tanks at home. This one has been really stable as well (which is why I still have it).

And I think I still have something that looks a bit like the infamous C. taxifolia (but is a different species...can't remember name) that has been pretty stable.

Also have a bit of C. serrulata, which is cool but not such a vigorous grower.

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Old 05-12-2006, 01:14 AM   #9
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i'd recommend chaeto. it's not as pretty but a lot more effective in nutrient export.
How do you know it is more effective? Have there been studies done that have demonstrated this?

Not intending to argue. Just curious (and would like to see the studies if there have been some done).

Chaetomorpha is more stable (does not go sexual like Caulerpa does), but it seems to me that Caulerpa is a faster grower that might be able to take up nutrients faster (???).
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Old 05-12-2006, 03:56 AM   #10
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when you say "goes sexual" that sounds like a good thing to me! can you explain that any further?
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Old 05-12-2006, 04:17 AM   #11
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spreads to your main display from your fuge basically without you putting it there
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Old 05-12-2006, 09:24 AM   #12
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spreads to your main display from your fuge basically without you putting it there
Actually, I have never seen gamete production in Caulerpa result in successful reproduction in an aquarium situation....I have never seen new, young Caulerpa cropping up in new places after gamete release.

"Going sexual" refers to the situation where the Caulerpa releases gametes (sperm and eggs) into the water. An individual Caulerpa individual (even a 3 foot long, one foot high C. paspaloides) is technically one single cell with no partitions inside like in you and me. They cytoplasm is continuous from one tip of the organism to the other. This is pretty wild and crazy, and very very cool. The cytoplasm is multi-nucleated though, so really, in some respects, it is lots and lots of cells that are all fused together with no partitions around the individual cells, but without those partitions we really need to call the whole Caulerpa individual one very complex multinucleated cell.

This changes though when time for sexual reproduction comes. At that time, a Caulerpa (as well as a number of other marine algae that operate more or less the same way) partitions its contents into individual cells, which differentiate into gametes (which presumably can swim, though I have never seen them first hand under a microscope nor have I seen diagrams of them, so I'm not certain). The Caulerpa then develops little tubes sticking out all over its surface, and it squirts out its former-cytoplasm-now-transformed-into-gametes into the water. When a large Caulerpa does this in an aquarium, or a lot of smaller ones do this at once, the tank water can be very cloudy with gametes for a whole morning. I have never seen any bad consequences to my tanks as a result of this, except that the formerly green, lush Caulerpa is now a hollow, translucent, whitish, dead husk of what it was. It has put its all into sexual reproduction, converted everything alive from its interior into gametes, and dumped it all into the water. Unless some of those gametes are successful (which as I said, I have never seen happen in an aquarium, which is probably a good thing, otherwise it would be cropping up everywhere), then you have lost that Caulerpa.

I don't have a clear understanding of the triggers for sexual reproduction. Keeping the individuals small through frequent trimming has been suggested as a way to prevent this from happening (this could be, since every time I have had C. paspaloides get really really big it has gone sexual and I have lost it from my tanks), though physical trauma sometimes seems to trigger sexual reproduction.

Anyway, this lack of stability of Caulerpa growths is one of the reasons why people sometimes don't like to use Caulerpa in refugiums for nutrient uptake. Some species are MUCH more likely to do this in an aquarium setting than others though, and as I said in my previous post, some are very very stable and normally stay in a vegetive state (and these tend to be the only ones that last in my systems long-term for very many years).

As you can see, the marine algae are very very strange and wonderful organisms (and I haven't even told you about the red algae....these do not operate like Caulerpa, but they are so very strange in terms of how they reproduce that some biologists have suggested they should be put in their own separate kingdom!)

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Old 05-12-2006, 05:14 PM   #13
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Getting back to the original inquiry....

If you are interested in any of my Caulerpa, you are welcome to some at some point.

I also have a really cool red macroalgae with fluorescent orange growing tips that is beautiful (Halymenia I think???)
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Old 05-12-2006, 07:30 PM   #14
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Are there any types of caulerpa or macroalgae (like the red you have capman) that can be in the main display tank? Something that will absorb the nutrients, but not grow out of control and be easy to maintain. I would like to have something in my 5.5 to help prevent an alge bloom in the future.
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Old 05-12-2006, 07:36 PM   #15
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when you say "goes sexual" that sounds like a good thing to me! can you explain that any further?
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