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Old 09-22-2005, 03:31 PM   #1
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Last night got me thinking-back up power...


thankfully we made it through the storm just fine here in south minneapple but it got me thinking nonetheless. especially seeing my reefing elders derek, david and everyone else in the north stuck...

i've had a deep cycle marine battery sitting in my garage for that one time a year i fire up the trolling motor. but i've never had a power inverter. so today i bit the bullet after doing a few calculations (that made it ever apparent what an asset the battery/inverter combo could be) and bought a cheap 12VDC->115/120VAC power inverter (target $30).

we've had this discussion before ( http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/sh...battery+backup )
and there are a number of options.

as far as turning on automatically you can go as cheap as $15 for the penn plax silent air B11 battery powered air pump. It is supposed to run in the neighborhood of 48 hours on a pair of D-cells. As with an old undergravel filter an air bubble can move a fair amount of water and facilitate air exchange. this one senses an interruption of power and switched on.

you can step up to the jehmco/tripp-lite aps ($300+ + batteries) which will allow you to power other pumps/accessories on your tank. power is supplied by marine deep cycle batteries. the inverter/charger unit maintains the charge in the battery(s) and again senses power interruptions before firing up (UPS). david is running one of these and derek should be-by now as its been collecting dust in his basement and only needed a lil wiring work. i think this is an ideal backup system for outages less than a day or two but for longer durations you'll need to come up with "fresh" batteries.

the new option is whole house natural gas supplied backup generators. if you have the thousands up front to invest i'm sure they're wonderful.

NOW-if you're around and an automatic switch over isn't critical you have some other options.

alot of people will hook a power inverter up to their car battery. running the car every few hours should recharge the battery sufficiently and you're only limited by gas in the tank and the length of your extension cords.

std gas powered generators are another option. they can supply alot of power depending on their size and again you're really only limited by access to gasoline.

finally-what i'm gonna be doing...using the power inverter and a spare marine deep cycle battery. this webpage gives you some info about calculating run time off of finite source.
http://www.1st-optima-batteries.com/...plications.asp

in the event of an outage i would be running my Tunze Stream 6000 (11W max-will actually be lower because it will run in "night mode"-lower power)

11W*1.15 (~15% energy "wasted" in the inversion process) = 12.65W

12.65W / 120V = 0.105A

the die hard marine deep cycle battery i have (M24 series) is rated at 80AH (amp hours) @ 12V. as it is a 10 fold increase in voltage (from 12V -> 120V) we divide the AH rating by 10 to get 8.0 AH @ 120V.

now if we divide the 8.0 AH rating by the A draw of the Tunze 0.105A we get 76.1 Hours of run time. that's alot of time! obviously if you ran more energy intensive devices run time would be less but it gives you an idea about what can be done for about $100 (deep cycle battery + power inverter)(a little more if you don't already have a battery charger). Since my battery is a couple years old i'm not expecting it to hold a 100% charge...still its a decent option.

if you want to do your calculations below we can check it for ya!
hope this helps someone and wasn't too boring to read through
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Old 09-22-2005, 03:32 PM   #2
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btw-dave let me know if you need another "fresh" battery-mine's in the garage charging right now.
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Old 09-22-2005, 04:41 PM   #3
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I just bit the bullet and got a generator at Northern Tool while I'm in the south side of town. Hopefully, when I get home the power will be back and I can return it tomorrow unopened and give me more time to shop around.
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Old 09-22-2005, 05:14 PM   #4
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Hope you guys make out ok!
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Old 09-22-2005, 05:46 PM   #5
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Glad I bought my UPS. When the power was still out this morning, I began to worry, so I called around for a generator. All the rental places were out of them (of course) and I had a hard time tracking down anything for sale even. Excel had told me it could be another day before we had power and the freezer was starting to defrost...So I go and drop $700 on a 5500W unit all the way down in Apple Valley, get it home and walk into a house full of lights (on). $#@&*$!!!!

Oh well....I guess now I'm prepared anyway.
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Old 09-22-2005, 05:49 PM   #6
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g-do you have one of the tripp-lite aps units? and did it hold you over til the lights ALL came back on? hope everything is alright!
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Old 09-22-2005, 06:11 PM   #7
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I just bit the bullet and got a generator at Northern Tool while I'm in the south side of town. Hopefully, when I get home the power will be back and I can return it tomorrow unopened and give me more time to shop around.
there is northern tool on hwy 65 north of mississippi.
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Old 09-22-2005, 06:54 PM   #8
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jer-i know dave works south of the cities. not to mention that the northern northern may have been picked over already by storm victims.
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Old 09-22-2005, 07:14 PM   #9
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That's why I picked it up on the South, hoping people ( except Graham ) wouldn't over here to get one.
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TG,

I bought a 100 amp-hour deep cycle to run it, so after 20 hours, I'm sure it still had plenty left in it. I only run a Tunze Stream and a Maxi 1200 on it, so not much drawn from it. I figure even at 80% efficiency, I could run all that for at least 36 hours. The drop in temp was the problem - 73 when power went back on. Everything looks fine, though.


David,
It's a good thing I work evenings today...our area was clean picked over by 9am. I called a bunch of places - lots of Honda generators around, but heck if I'm going to spend a grand on a 2500W generator - I don't care how "good" they are.


So if anyone ever needs to rent 5500W of power, give me call (as long as I'm not using it )
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Hondas are the best and the quitest too!
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...and the most expensive too!
When dealing with a long-term power outage, a little extra noise isn't going to be what's bothering me...
I might have to find a way to vent it out the garage and just run it in there.
That'll prevent me from having to chain it to my house.
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Power is still out. Excel latest estimate is Sunday for my area.

I did end up getting the Honda 2000W. Idea was it is at least portable and quiet enough to use camping or something besides just a power outage. It is a nice compact unit, that if another reefer or family member needs to borrow it for an outage someday it's easy to carry.
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mine came back on at 12 yesterday. I only lost one fish. i hope everything will be alright for the rest of you without power.

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Old 09-23-2005, 10:37 AM   #15
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dave-i'm curious what the gas consumption is like-and is it dependent on the load its driving?

or is some of the power generated just wasted (wouldn't make sense) if you don't use all 2000W. sorry silly question.

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