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Old 11-11-2005, 03:25 PM   #1
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Electric Flame Scallops


So like 2 weeks ago I saw some Electric Flame Scallops in Grand Forks, those are some of the coolest creatures I have seen! I stared at them for like 10 minutes, $19.95, thought about bringing a few home, but figured they like corners and with my luck they would hide behind my LR, so I should re-aquascape 1st.

But are they hardy or anything one should know before purchasing them? I know I always see them huddled together in clusters of like 4-6 so does that mean they do better with a few partners?

How about regular Flame Scallops?


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Old 11-11-2005, 03:33 PM   #2
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I believe most flame scallops starve to death between 6 to 12 months in captivity. They also tend to hide a lot, so chances are they will not be in a viewer friendly place.
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:54 PM   #3
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I think they tend to expel water, shoot around the tank and get wedged under things or behind the LR. I think you need to save them from this more often then most of us would like. Like any other hard to keep item some people have had luck but most don't.

I read one thread where a ton of people chimed in about them and some people kept them for years and never once target fed them or even added any items like phyto or zooplankton to the tank and others where people targeted fed them every day and they always died. Sounded like no one really knows why they die but it might not be food related at all.
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:56 PM   #4
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Your $19.95 would be better spent on beer....

While there may be few exceptions out there, they rarely make it in capitivity......
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:58 PM   #5
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anyone in the club ever had long term success with one ?

too bad they don't do better , they sure are cool.
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Old 11-11-2005, 04:02 PM   #6
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Mine has been alive for....oh yeah, only 2 months LOL Still kicking though. Spot feed them.
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Old 11-11-2005, 04:07 PM   #7
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You'll have to keep us updated on its progress Smeese.

Have they targeted yet why they do so bad in captivity? The latest research I've done on these guys was a couple years ago.
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Old 11-11-2005, 04:28 PM   #8
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They are really cool, and an exciting addition. I wish some of the neater things from this hobby (blue lollypops, Carnation Coral, etc) could be kept with better efficiency. Good luck smeese I hope it does better than most people's experience.
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Old 11-11-2005, 04:51 PM   #9
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I don't have any hard data on flame scallops (a.k.a. file clams), but I think there is no mystery as to why they die in captivity. I'm virtually certain that the problem is that they are filter feeders with a fairly high metabolism that are unlikely to get enough to eat in a typical aquarium...especially in the really pristine almost sterile sorts of low nutrient conditions that most reefkeepers are striving for.

I have kept flame scallops several times with varying success. One lived for over a year. Others not so long. None of them grew at all, which suggests that they were not getting enough to eat. When they die, they don't just die overnight, in my experience...their mantles, and body tissues overall, start to shrink. They get weak, and their shells gape more than usual. and then eventually they die.

I strongly suspect that target feeding is not likely to be all that successful, since a lot of filter feeders like this can have their filtration apparatus (the gills in this case) sort of overwhelmed with too much food all at once. I suppose target feeding might help a bit, but I think animals like this probably need to be feeding more or less continuously (with more dilute food) for good health.

In my experience, flame scallops seem to be pretty hardy creatures. They just happen to be hard for most of us to feed adequately, and they starve to death.

If you had a continuous supply of planktonic algae available, and were OK with keeping your tank slightly cloudy with this most of the time, then my guess is that you could probably keep them really well. Bivalves can be pretty picky about what they choose to eat though (particles from the water column are captured by the gills pretty much indiscriminately I think, but pretty sophisticated sorting of captured particles takes place, and rejected particles are expelled as a strand of material referred to as pseudofeces), so it might be that some experimentation (or library research) would be necessary to find foods of the proper size and composition that they would accept.

The business of them disappearing into dark recesses normally has nothing to do with them getting stuck there. This is where they want to go. When it finds a place it likes a flame scallop reaches out with its long foot and attaches itself with byssal threads, often lifting itself up off the bottom so it is attached to some sort of overhang. You can sometimes trick them into attaching (and staying) in a place where you can see them, but there is a good chance they will keep trying to hide in a dark spot.

These are lovely animals though. Someday I'd like to really keep them correctly, but I think this will not be in a reef tank.
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Old 11-11-2005, 05:04 PM   #10
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9 months is the longest I ever had one live.

mother-in-law had one for over 1.5years. she never did water changes and over fed alot. good thing she does not have a tank any more every 5 min I got a call about something in her tank
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Old 11-11-2005, 05:07 PM   #11
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This was mine I had it a little over a year and then it just died! This picture was a week before it died.

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Old 11-11-2005, 05:42 PM   #12
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I have one and it is my favorite inhabitant. That thing is awesome, the center of attention for anyone that comes over. It's fun to watch when it shoots through the tank and feeds on plankton that I squirt into the tank.

One fascinating creature, I could stare at it all day long....


OK, enough of the BS. She hides in between rocks and I can only see some of its tentacles through a small opening between the rocks. On the first day she moved around a bit and I actually saw here propell through the water once. Since then she's hiding.
At least I got her for under 10 bucks
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Old 11-11-2005, 05:47 PM   #13
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I think they are nocturnal... the ones I always had were out at night, but as soon as a light came on they were gone.
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Old 11-11-2005, 06:00 PM   #14
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We had one for about 4 months....then it disapppeared, so I couldn't target feed. Then I did some aquascaping and found the remains
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Old 11-11-2005, 06:56 PM   #15
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I have seen them in the reef while diving. They are pretty cool, I usually spot them in a small hole because their brilliant red mouth catches my eye. They are pretty skittish so they close up when approached to quickly.
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