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Old 11-21-2003, 01:55 AM   #1
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Baby bangaiis!


Though my wife has had a few things to say about the amount of money the new tanks at home have been costing, close to 2 weeks ago I ended up getting Toyfreak's pair of Bangaiis to try to breed them along with my daughters. The male was carrying eggs at the time.

My intention was to put in a divider to partition him off before release time to keep the engineer goby from eating the babies, but I didn't get to it. I figured I had a few more days, but then this evening I went down and looked at the tank and there were 2 baby bangaiis hovering near the engineer goby's burrow. I figured I'd blown it, that I'd missed the release, and that most had been eaten. However, I moved some rocks and caught the male in a net (the advantages of very sparse and simple rockwork in this tank!). He still had most of the babies, which he promptly spit out into the net (without lifting him out of the water). It was magical looking. Here is the result (in a little breeder box, with Toyfreak's nifty fake urchin)....
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Old 11-21-2003, 03:17 AM   #2
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Congrats Dad!


I am so glad he did not abort, I thought the move might stress him out.
I couldn't have asked for a better home for Barney and Betty.
Thanks again Bill, and keep us posted I would like to add new data to the article I am still working on.
they sure are cute aren't they!
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Old 11-21-2003, 08:36 AM   #3
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They look great, what do you feed them when they are that small. Can they eat brine or is that too big.
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Old 11-21-2003, 09:05 AM   #4
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awesome i think those guys are sooo cool!
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Old 11-21-2003, 09:08 AM   #5
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Oh, too cute! Congrats!

I'd also like to know what you're feeding them.
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Old 11-21-2003, 09:42 AM   #6
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Wow. How neat.

That must be really sureal to look at that shimmer mass of tiny little fish.

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Old 11-21-2003, 09:56 AM   #7
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Fantastic. This is really interesting.
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Old 11-21-2003, 12:44 PM   #8
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very cool
I breed african cichlids that breed in the same manor and it is always intresting to see the fry
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Old 11-21-2003, 01:12 PM   #9
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Wow those are such pretty little creatures! Keep us informed on how it goes.

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Old 11-21-2003, 02:01 PM   #10
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Hey Bill,
When you decide on what you will do with them let me know. I have one I got from Matt earlier this year and I would love to find a mate for it (not sure if it is a him or her).

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Old 11-21-2003, 11:00 PM   #11
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Very cool! Grats Dad!

What are you feeding them?
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Old 11-22-2003, 12:16 AM   #12
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Regarding the futures of the fish:

I'll probably take some in to work to put in the tanks in the lab...I'd like to eventually get a pair breeding there so students can see all this (and so they can see a group of small bangaiis hanging out with our big diadema urchin!)...sort of a donation to the Bio Dept I currently have an unpaired bangaii from another source in the lab that I'd like to pair off with an unrelated fish from this batch.

Most of the rest my daughters and I will probably try to sell (I'm not too sure how much longer my wife will be comfortable seeing me dumping money into these new marine tanks without them supporting themselves a bit!...my freshwater tanks are not near so expensive to set up or operate!). I'll try to remember you guys who are interested in some when they get bigger.

I hope the parents will continue spawning. My daughter wants to take some in from a future spawning (that will more honestly represent our own breeding efforts) to one of the Minnesota Aquarium Society's monthly Breeders Award Program auctions.

Regarding food:
Last night I had no brine shrimp hatched to feed them and I tried giving them some freeze-dried cyclopeze I had here. Some of them snapped at small bits (within a half hour of emerging from their father's mouth), but many did not. This evening now I have a batch of shrimp hatched and they are quite excited by these shrimp.

As brand new baby fish go, these are *really huge*, and baby brine are no problem for them. The only other baby fish that I have seen that compared in terms of size and development were the young of mouthbrooding cichlids.

However, much more so than the cichlids, these bangai babies are amazingly well-developed replicas of their parents, but with proportionately longer fins. I've never seen anything like this before. There appear to be about 29 or 30 of them...I'm not sure how they all fit into their father's mouth.

I know this is all old-hat for all the experienced bangaii breeders out there, but I must say these little fish are mesmerizing, especially clustered together in such quiantity.

Now, the next goal for my daughters and me is to raise up some baby clownfish (which is why we set up these marine tanks at home in the first place). I think for starters we are going to give a prepared food a try that some breeders have been using as a substitute for the rotifers that are normally used as a first food. We'll see how that goes, since I'm not sure I have the time to be fooling around with rotifer culture at the moment.

First though, our recently aquired pair of cinnamon clowns need to start spawning again in their new tank (and our big female maroon and new tiny male maroon have yet to be introduced to each other).
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Old 12-05-2003, 03:51 AM   #13
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A quick update:

All 36 babies (yes, looks like there are about 36) are still doing well and have grown (being fed live baby brine shrimp, about 3 to 4 feedings most days). They are all still in a breeder box (one of the larger ones from JEHMCO, www.jehmco.com) hanging in a 40 breeder (one of 3 that are plumbed together). One baby fish has a deformed dorsal fin, but the rest look good, and all seem healthy.

And, the cool new news...I just saw this evening that their father is carrying a new batch of eggs.

What a nice pair of fish!

Toyfreak...can you remind me how long the male normally carries the eggs?

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Old 12-05-2003, 03:57 AM   #14
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wow.....that is awesome. congrats
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Old 12-05-2003, 01:09 PM   #15
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I guess I need to start breeding those instead of africans...lol

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