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Old 03-28-2005, 08:02 PM   #1
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AquaController 3 Pro


Does anyone know what these are going for? I do not need all the functionality, but I do like the fact that it has a built in web server! That is worth something.
http://www.neptunesys.com/aquaController3Pro.htm
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Old 03-28-2005, 08:05 PM   #2
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More importantly does it come with any probes, control modules, etc. without any additional charges.
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Old 03-28-2005, 08:35 PM   #3
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More importantly does it come with any probes, control modules, etc. without any additional charges.
No it doesn't come with any probes when you purchase just the controller. But you can get controller + probe pacakges - with a discount applied to the probes and the controller. I just installed one of these on a client's tank and it absolutly rocks. Besides the built in server, the best feature is the season temp. variation - varries the temp in your tank a couple of degrees over the year to simulate natural temp. variation.



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Old 03-28-2005, 08:36 PM   #4
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if you go to

https://estore.neptunesys.com/neptun...product=Combos

you can see the available combos.
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Old 03-28-2005, 09:00 PM   #5
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Old 03-28-2005, 10:04 PM   #6
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the seasonal temperature and lighting schedules are available on all of the aquacontrollers i believe-even the jr...
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Old 03-28-2005, 10:22 PM   #7
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Ya, the AquaController 3 Pro is a little too rich for my blood! I'll have to stick to the Aquacontroller 2
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Old 03-29-2005, 09:22 AM   #8
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Does anyone know what these are going for? I do not need all the functionality, but I do like the fact that it has a built in web server! That is worth something.
http://www.neptunesys.com/aquaController3Pro.htm
Having a webserver is a huge step in controllers. Neptune still charges way too much for how restrictive their features are. (IE: only 4 inputs & 4 dedicated outputs) It's not a platform for true automation & reef intelligence but instead just an expensive data logger & wavemaker/timer with limited controlling functionallity.

Gotta plug the opensource DIY solution I'm working on. The Wireless Recycled Reef Controller (WRRC)

www.bytality.com/wrrc/

Built from a linksys wireless WRT54g router with 1-wire sensors (Industry standard I/O devices commonly used in weather monitoring stations). Opensouce software completely runs the unit.

Features:
-Builtin Webserver
-**Wireless** "G" access (or wired networking also)
-Telnet server
-Statistical tank parameter data logging
-Standard serial interface
-x10 capable w/serial controller
-You can also add an LCD of up to 80 chars for display of current data.
Monitor & Control:
-basically anything you want
-Temp
-pH
-ORP (under development)
-Conductivity (planned)
-unlimited # of "1-wire" inputs (Ex: thermometers, probes, level sensors, alarms)
-unlimited # of "1-wire" outputs (Ex: Relay control of nearly anything)
-built on a stable linux platform
-Linux shell scripting language can access all I/O & data on unit
-Completely custom schedules, alarms, and actions w/shell scripts
-email or txt message event notification

This baby will have the power to truly "control" an aquarium. You'll be able to build scripts to take "evasive actions" when disasters strike BEFORE you notice the problem and it's too late. I also don't think mostly automated water chages w/premixed SW are too far off with this thing either.

I haven't been able to fully focus on this project yet b/c my goal has been to get the 75G up and running. Dispite that, there's been some really good progress and I don't intend to quit with this project until I have a controller. You don't need to know hardcore PCL & IC chip electronics to build this controller as most DIY solutions. It's meant to be for the less electronically-genius'ed DIYer with basic soldering skills and at least a bit of programming if you want it custom. If you don't know any programming, I'm also going to try and work on a basic pre-built fuctionality so you don't need to look at much/any code.

Biggest difference between WRRC & ACIII: Mine is a DIY solution for someone with some basic computer knowledge, a desire to learn & truly automate their reef "chores" whereas the ACIII is for someone with too much money to burn.

[b]VERY rough Estimated DIY cost of WRRC:[/u]
WRT54g router (aka the "brains") = $60
PH/ORP probes = $75
1-wire interface = $60
misc. 1-wire parts/sensors = $30
x10 controller (optional) = $25
80 Char backlit LCD display & controller (optional) = $30
Way more functionallity/flexability = Free
Est Base Total :$280

That's just a rough guess cost somewhat overestimated to be safe. You can build the 1-wire interface from components yourself for less if you have the soldering skills, and there's lots of ways to spend more/less depending on what you want. Heck, the manufacture of 1-wire chips will even send you free sample sensor units to "test". Compare that to the closest featured ACIII Pro:

ACIII Pro:
Base ACIII Unit = $799
PH/ORP probes pkg = $99
x10 controller pkg = $72
Aquanotes/cable pkg = $152
Base total: $1083 (special pkg pricing saves ~$40 from above costs)

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Old 03-29-2005, 09:32 AM   #9
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Well.... when is this WRCC functional ? I know that it would be a great alternative to the commercial controllers but unfortunately it's no good as long as it is not availlable.

I understand that you like to plug this thing but you need to have something to show for, not just a theoretical idea (no intention of bashing, I'm just eager to see some results, lol)



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Old 03-29-2005, 10:12 AM   #10
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Well.... when is this WRCC functional ? I know that it would be a great alternative to the commercial controllers but unfortunately it's no good as long as it is not availlable.

I understand that you like to plug this thing but you need to have something to show for, not just a theoretical idea (no intention of bashing, I'm just eager to see some results, lol)
Ok, you got me - I do like plugging it, but I'm eager too.

Everything's available on the site right now to anyone interested in helping develop the core features. A more refined version will take some time, but is any truly groundbreaking DIY really refined?

Results are coming. I'm hoping to have mine running for doing basic PH & temp monitoring/controlling as well as day/moon lighting schedules within 2-3 months. My tank setup will be x10 controlled and that part should be pretty close (a couple weeks until I get the parts I have on order). I've currently got a regular PC scheduling things.

I've got an initial release (which is available to anyone on the website) of the openWRT/WRRC firmware loaded on the box and have been playing around with test scripts and whatnot while I wait for parts.

There's a guy who designed & had the 1-wire/WRT54g interfaces manufactured in a limited supply. I've be ordered an I/O board from him too so I have to wait on those. He's had some family sickness strike lately so it's been slower than I'd have liked to see. I should have them soon. Unfortunately, I haven't exactly rushed this project since I have plenty to do finishing setting up the 75g tank.

Once we get the bascis (PH/ORP/Conductivity/temp/x10) done, it's ready for anyone to tackle & expand upon (actually it's ready for people at any time). What you want to add beyond that as far as sensors is completely up to the individual. I've got big plans, but some may be happy with it even after the basics are covered. Even then, it's got the wireless access & better built-in datalogging that set it apart from the standard ACII.

I kind of see a completely different client base for each unit (ACIII & WRRC). People who are seriously considering ACIII at a cool grand most likely aren't interested in the DIY WRRC. I figure the WRRC is more for anyone interested in a ACII that wants more bang for their buck, and complete reef cotnroll.

I'll try to stop plugging until I get more results. I just see people drooling over the overpriced ACIII and I get excited.
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So... I do like the idea of the WRRC, I'm even interrested in building one for fun...

[b]VERY rough Estimated DIY cost of WRRC:[/u]
WRT54g router (aka the "brains") = $60
PH/ORP probes = $75
1-wire interface = $60
misc. 1-wire parts/sensors = $30
x10 controller (optional) = $25
80 Char backlit LCD display & controller (optional) = $30
Way more functionallity/flexability = Free
Est Base Total :$280

I would like 3 PH probes (1 for CR, 1 for tank, and 1 backup!)
4 temp probes (1 for tank temp, 1 for stand temp, 1 for canopy temp, 1 for backup)

How much for this? And what parts do you have functioning and what parts are not functioning?

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When you get this up and running, I would be very interested in buying one, or testing it out. I really don't have the desire to try and build one of these myself, but would gladly (rather) pay a local in the club vs. some other company. The ACIII is really overpriced, but they do have a great reputation...



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Old 03-30-2005, 09:41 AM   #13
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So... I do like the idea of the WRRC, I'm even interrested in building one for fun...

[b]VERY rough Estimated DIY cost of WRRC:[/u]
WRT54g router (aka the "brains") = $60
PH/ORP probes = $75
1-wire interface = $60
misc. 1-wire parts/sensors = $30
x10 controller (optional) = $25
80 Char backlit LCD display & controller (optional) = $30
Way more functionallity/flexability = Free
Est Base Total :$280

I would like 3 PH probes (1 for CR, 1 for tank, and 1 backup!)
4 temp probes (1 for tank temp, 1 for stand temp, 1 for canopy temp, 1 for backup)

How much for this? And what parts do you have functioning and what parts are not functioning?

Thanks, Kevin
Sending PM to you with more details kevin .

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When you get this up and running, I would be very interested in buying one, or testing it out. I really don't have the desire to try and build one of these myself, but would gladly (rather) pay a local in the club vs. some other company. The ACIII is really overpriced, but they do have a great reputation...
Understandable. I never really intended to sell the setup as a complete package since the project is developed as a DIY, but I could probably be contracted to put together the hardware and get you going. I just want to make it clear that as of now I don't think it would be right for me to "sell" what other people are working hard for free to collectively develop, but I will gladly help out a fellow local reefer in exchange for something to cover my time. Does that make sense?

Are you computer savy at all or know anything about programming or the linux shell? Knowing some programming basics will help you fully harnes the controlling power of the hardware.

Lets not get ahead of ourselves though. After you see it in action we'll talk about it, but I don't want to promise something I can't deliver for a while.
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