any one using ZEOvit????

spazz · 01-21-2005, 11:11 AM

has anybody thought about using ZEOvit in there sps tanks? i have done a little reading on it and they say its supose to help make you sps brighter. do you think there is any truth to it or is it another miracle cure that dont really do any thing? i half think it another hoax to get us to buy more equiptment and additives every month or two.

fugucuts · 01-21-2005, 11:20 AM

some people seem to really like it.
but interesting new thread on the subject.
someone tried to do a gram stain on the ZEObac product whcih is supposed to contain
beneficial bacteria.
But ooops no bacteria could be found.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...hreadid=510427

geshields · 01-21-2005, 12:03 PM

My take (opinion) on Zeovit is that it is a process that "forces" you to pay attention to your tank (increased maintenance) and that is why people are seeing the results they are. It is a placebo if you will...

Once again, I do not want to start a flame war, it is just my opinion....

I believe the same folks that use Zeo would see the same results if they kept the same regimen they are doing now minus the Zeo....

David Grigor · 01-21-2005, 12:42 PM

I started a thread on this here in the TCMAS forum a couple of weeks ago. Can do a search.

What they say does make sense however, but my understanding of the process, the main way they achive low nutient levels is to absorb the amonnia before it can be processed. Thus little to no nitrite or nitrate levels. What really scares me about this is well what happens if something goes haywire and doesn't process the amonnia. Because all other levels have be nill you don't have any bacteria reserves to process excess nitrite/nitrate and can start a new tank cycle and kill everything. I am thinking particularly if you start this and decided you don't want to continue the Zeolite, how to you repopulate the beneficial bacteria without cycling the tank when you have lots of livestock ? I kindof think of it as a you can check in but you can't check out kindof thing. Basically a got you to depend on there products hence forth.

I would be a much bigger believer if this was just a philosophy and not that you have to buy and depend on a particular product. This is whay I am most leary of.

Another thing I am not fond of is there are blurbs that they don't want you to use Kalkwasser without giving ( at least not that I could find in the forum ) a good reason why. I am pretty attached to Kalkwasser and not for sure I want to give it up.

I still may try it because I am now on such a small scale ( 58g) and running T5. With all the pics of German tanks with T5 and this system makes it real tempting.....

spazz · 01-21-2005, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by David Grigor

I kindof think of it as a you can check in but you can't check out kindof thing. Basically a got you to depend on there products hence forth.

Another thing I am not fond of is there are blurbs that they don't want you to use Kalkwasser without giving ( at least not that I could find in the forum ) a good reason why.

very good point. i wouldt want to be stuck having to do something if i didnt like the results.

spazz · 01-21-2005, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by geshields

I believe the same folks that use Zeo would see the same results if they kept the same regimen they are doing now minus the Zeo....

very good point. i just wonder if its the ZEOvit or better maintenance. i would like better colors out of my corals. im just wondering how to best acheive that goal.

Graham · 01-22-2005, 02:44 AM

spazz,

The short answer (opinion) is make the water as nutrient poor as possible and provide good quality intense lighting for at least part of the day.
More nutrients and subpar lighting can allow zoox to maintain higher numbers and this will mask or prevent colors from coming out, making the corals tend to show mostly tan-brownish colors.

Too much lighting can be just as bad, though. I've found that my colors are richer and deeper after reducing halides to 5-6 hours per day and letting the VHOs handle the rest. Others believe you should give them much more halide. I think it's whatever you find gives you the results you want. There's no cookbook.

polskp · 01-22-2005, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Graham

I think it's whatever you find gives you the results you want. There's no cookbook.

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Originally Posted by geshields

My take (opinion) on Zeovit is that it is a process that "forces" you to pay attention to your tank...

My feelings exactly, although my experience pertaining to this thread is quite limited. From everything I've read, the Zeovit System is employed by those who elect to try a product which necesitates lots of "tweaking". As Graham suggested. I think there are other way to obtain coloration.

Incidentally, I think leftover chemicals can be emplyed as an acne medication.... Just think, the Zeozit System. Has a nice ring to it!

**runs off to to analytical chemist.... must secure patent**

Graham · 01-22-2005, 03:56 AM

Man, I also think it's hilarious that as of this evening, that fella wasn't able to stain or culture any bacteria from the Zeobac. Let's all watch Zeoworld come crashing down.

That's what you get for buying something of which you have no idea what it is you're buying. RC should be pretty funny for the next month or so - they had to make a special Admin post regarding threads about Zeo.

I know someone in particular who's going to get a real good yuck out of this...

spazz · 01-22-2005, 12:39 PM

ok so you convinced me not to waist my money on ZEOzit. i run my 3-250w mh 9 hours a day. im slowly starting to work my way down to about 6-7hrs a day. im running 3 10k xm bulbs. i would like to go a little bluer in color with out going 20k. is the hamelton 14k a good middle ground with out going too blue.

i feed every day, but its very strict feeding with a syrenge so there is not alot of waisted food floating around.

thanks for all of the comments. you saved me some cash.