tang problem

[Junkzoo]

Originally posted by tango
How is cyanide used to capture them , I'm lost but don't worry too much it's normal.

short answer,,,, diver uses "juice"(cyanide,vinegar, etc) in a squirt bottle, dives down, juices the fish(and every other fish around/hiding) , fish succumbs to the poison/change in ph,allowing the collector to net up the fish,,,,

sorta like deer hunting with napalm

[grazhopr]

I thought the yellow tang could be netted easily (no need to use cyanide at all) for it can be found swimming in schools freely.

Regal tangs, that tend to be found coexisting with stony, branched corals are, in some places, forced out using cyanide.

That made me think that cynide poisoning could not be the problem with his fish.

[Junkzoo]

Originally posted by grazhopr
I thought the yellow tang could be netted easily (no need to use cyanide at all) for it can be found swimming in schools freely.

Regal tangs, that tend to be found coexisting with stony, branched corals are, in some places, forced out using cyanide.

That made me think that cynide poisoning could not be the problem with his fish.

i wish! lol..no fish jumps in the net when it see you(maybe for Jerel, i think he names them first,then sings to them,maybe in the old days Jerel LOL)

in the old days,only easy collecting i did was collecting french,black and queen angels in the Keys(way old days)on a reef,,20 ft of water,was free diving, scouted out some angels hanging around, caught one, brought it up to the boat, returned to see another angel in the same spot,netted it , returned for about 6-7 times,,,finally noticed a coral banded shrimp on the patch the angels were hanging around,,,found out i was getting fish that had come over to a cleaning station! one would leave(via my net),and another would come by and take it's place in line! have had mixed feelings about this over the years, felt like i was taking a unfair advantage,but in light , makes a good story,,,
when i would see a OLD, huge, battle scarred angel on the reef,(it never got that close ) i would kinda salute it , and let it go on it's way,,,probably why it made it so long on the reef,it was smarter than me and all the other collectors before me,,,

[aquaticsdeptleader]

shirley its only in a 40 breader i know not big enough i think she may get a bigger tank soon though

if not i will steer her clear of getting another tang.

[grazhopr]

i wish! lol..no fish jumps in the net when it see you

Yes...it would be great to go out and catch them like butterflies

tango....i'll post another photo about cyanide collection to have an idea what it does to fishes.

i thought of something like this:

[grazhopr]

i don't know how to post multiple photos in a single message.

But here's a painful scene. And this is only a start. After that those fishes have to go along a travel that can last weeks, and thousands and thousands of miles. Want to know how many of those animals make it to their final destination......probably 1/10 of all the caught animals.

[Junkzoo]

grazhopr, wow! what eye opening pics, first one brought back memories of the ol' collecting days,only i had to "corral" one fish at a time into the barrier net,,,,
the second pic was painfully sickening
looks like what happens after a "juice" that,,,(how can i say this) went bad,,,like there is a good one,,,

i think i need to go talk to my fish now,,,,,,,,

[shalori]

wow, that's seriously sickening!!!!!!!
i cannot imagine...
i've heard about the cyanide collection, of course, but never actually seen a picture. very disturbing.
need more tank raised fish? how else to stop this disgusting scene? post the pic more so that others can see????
soo sad.....

[grazhopr]

guys...i didn't mean to be too dramatic. But i guess images speak louder than words (if i may say that!). i was shocked too the first time i saw that.
it seems the Philippines and partly in Indonesia this practices are very common, but not to catch every species. cyanide can be costly, so it's not justified in all cases.
it looks like larger genus (only some species) are susceptible for cyanide collecting, like butterflies, some tangs, some angelfishes (like the emperor) and posibly others i am forgetting.
fishes like dottybacks and clowns, thank god, are being captive-bred.

[Spanky]

Now before you guys get crazy about cyanide, realize it's not practiced or practical to use it in collecting schooling fish like tangs. Barrier nets are what's used. It's easier to herd then into barrier nets. Cyanide is used more on fish that dive into the reef for cover, sit still, and have to be flushed out.

This red streaking of the fins is usually brought on by a bacterial septicemia, and usually found in the liver. This infection is brought on by bad water quality. That could be from shipping, holding, or the system it's in now. Also, stray voltage. Not to say that overall health issues from diet, etc don't set the stage for this too.

It can sometimes be corrected by improving holding conditions and diet, but it will still leave the fish with liver damage and in a weakened condition which can take a long time to correct.

I used the word "usually" a lot didn't I?

[Junkzoo]

Originally posted by Spanky

I used the word "usually" a lot didn't I?

You usually do Jerel,,,usually.

[ShirleyM]

Then I now know my yellow tang probably didn't die of cyanide poisoning...but probably had an infection before I got him.....regardless, I'm glad to learn more about the cyanide approach. Thanks, Jerel!

[Doug1]

When dealing with tangs ALWAYS address nutrion first. They are active, high metabolism contant grazers that need to eat ALOT, and dont do well on junk food. Decent diet will give them a better chance to deal with stress and secondary infections