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Old 07-08-2000, 05:19 PM   #1
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The typial scooter blenny, is a member of the dragonnette family, related to manderins and shares the difficulty in keeping because of feeding issues. I agree with Ninong
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Old 07-09-2000, 01:12 AM   #2
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please help settle a debate


is a scooter blenny part of the goby family?? i'm saying no, my stupid friend is saying yes...he always thinks he's right, and i'd LOVE to prove him wrong just once...

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Old 07-09-2000, 01:32 AM   #3
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"Scooter" is a loose generic term usually applied to the Families Callionymidae and Pinquipedidae, but also tagged onto a number of blennies for their manner of "scooting" or hopping along the bottom in short bursts.

There are many species of blennies as well as many nonblennies that are sold as "scooters."

Gobies can be distinguished from blennies on the basis of dorsal finnage. Most gobies have two distinct top fins; blennies have a single long one.

The confusion lies in the fact that the wholesalers call a lot of different fish "scooter blennies."

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Old 07-09-2000, 06:05 PM   #4
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WHOOHOO!!! i finally got him on something!!!!

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Old 07-10-2000, 06:23 AM   #5
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Goby is use so generally to begin with. Its that poor naming system .
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Old 07-10-2000, 10:49 PM   #6
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Psyduck, welcome back, Steve thanks for the taxonomy lesson
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Old 07-11-2000, 01:21 AM   #7
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Gobys as we reefers know them are from the family Gobiidae, and blennies are from a completely different taxonomic family Blennidae. (generally.. there are a few families involved)

So... Blennies are about as close to Gobys as they are to Lionfish - Despite some superficial similarities, they are very different. Its like saying a seal and a walrus are the same.

Descriptions:

Blennidae:
Scaleless body (lateral line scales modified in few species). Premaxillae not protractile. Usually blunt head. Pelvic fins present in all but 2 species; before pectorals; with 1 short, inconspicuous spine and 2-4 segmented rays. No teeth in palatines; vomerine teeth present or absent. Teeth in jaws comblike, fixed or movable (canine teeth occasionally present). Dorsal spines 3-17, flexible; 9-119 segmented soft rays. Pectoral rays 10-18, unbranched. Caudal fin rays branched or unbranched. Anal spines 2. All with basisphenoid except in Nemophini. Swim bladder usually absent in adults, except in Phenablennius, Omox, and most Nemophini. Vertebrae often 28-44 (135 in Xiphasia). Maximum length about 54 cm; most smaller than 15 cm. Mostly bottom dwelling species feeding on a mixed diet of algae and benthic invertebrates; some are planktivores, and some are specialized to feed on skin or fins of larger fishes, with mimic as cleaner. Males attract gravid females to lay their eggs in a small whole or crevice, or in underneath empty bivalve shells. The eggs are then guarded by the male or by both parents.

Gobiidae:
Pelvic fins fused into an adhesive disc, when well developed. Spinous dorsal present or absent; when present with 2-8 flexible spines and discontinuous with soft dorsal. Cycloid or ctenoid scales almost always present. Prominent head barbels present in some species. To 50 cm maximum length; most species below 10 cm. The largest family of marine fishes (possibly > 2,000). The smallest fishes (and vertebrates) in the world belong to this family. Mostly marine in shallow coastal waters and around coral reefs. Most are cryptic bottom dwelling carnivores of small benthic invertebrates; others are planktivores. Some species have symbiotic relationships with invertebrates (e.g. shrimps) and others are known to remove ecto-parasites from other fishes. Typically nest spawners with non-spherical eggs guarded by the male. Many are popular aquarium fishes. The following subfamilies are recognized: Oxudercinae, Amblyopinae, Sicydiinae, Gobionellinae and Gobiinae.



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