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Old 11-04-2002, 08:27 PM   #1
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Conductivity Monitor


I just purshased a Conductivity Monitor so I could monitor the effectiveness of my RO/DI membrane. I was surprised that the only instructions that came with it were how to calibrate it. I've also looked in my home library for more information with no luck. The water coming out of the RO/DI registered 0. I also go a 0 reading on the 2K scale. I assume this is good, but need some help understanding how to maximize the use of a Conductivity Monitor.
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Old 11-04-2002, 11:22 PM   #2
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I assume your talking about a TDS meter (total disolved solids). It measures how clean the water is.

What to do with it.
1) check your tap water and record level
2) check water comming out of membrane before the DI and record level
3) check your final output water and record level.

Depending on what reading 1 says, how high your pressure is, and how big the unit is will determine what percent cleaner the membrane water (reading 2) is compared to your tap water (reading 1). But in practical terms the membrane should remove about 80 - 90 % of TDS. (you'll never get what the membrane is spec'ed for except under the best conditions)

Example 1: reading 1 says 100. Reading 2 says 15
membrane removed 85% of total disolved solids.

Now check reading 3. Most reefers want it going no higher than 5 or 10 at the most but never within 3 or 4 of what reading 2 says. When reading 3 approaches the 5-10 or within 3 or 4 then it is time to change the DI cartridge.

Example 2: if reading 2 says 11 you would not want reading 3 to ever go higher than 7 or 8

When membrane reaches about 70% of removing the TDS's then it is time to change the membrane. see example 1

You should change your pre-filter and carbon at least every 6 months. If your on city water (with clorine) or a shallow well (depth of well less than 150') and reading 1 is really high you would want to change it sooner than that.

It's a little hard to explain in writing but hope this helps guide you on how to use the conductivity meter and when your cartidges/membrane needs replaceing. If reading 1 is really high then you would want to get a second add-on DI cartridge (it would save you money in the long run). If you go that route the method for determining when to change the two different DI's is a little different --- let me know and I could explain that.

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Old 11-05-2002, 08:40 AM   #3
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good post Charles.
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Old 11-05-2002, 01:47 PM   #4
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Thanks Tom --- I didn't realize how hard it would be explain all that until I started typing the reply.
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Old 11-05-2002, 02:21 PM   #5
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Thanks!

I have one one the way with my RO/DI unit so this will be useful to know!

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Old 11-05-2002, 11:04 PM   #6
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Charles, thanks

I still need some clarification. You discribe this as a TDS meter (total disolved solids). My meter is a Pinpoint. Nowhere in the materials I received with the meter do I find the term TDS or (total disolved solids). The meter measures in microSiemens. My tap water measured 239 microSiemens. The water from the Membrane is 15 and the final from the RO/DI is 0. Is this consistant with your instructions? If so it would appear that the membrane is in good shape and the RO/DI is doing a good job. Do I have it right?
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TDS meters usually list in terms of PPM based on a standard of conductivity. Exactly what it is measuring is based on the ability of the water between two electrodes to pass current. I don't know what the relationship between PPM calcs and microSeimens is, but water up to 17 mcSm is acceptable for lab grade water use, and certainly acceptable for our purposes.

There are several folks on the board who specialize in water treatment, hopefully one of them will have a conversion factor for conductivity to PPM and the standard that that conversion factor is based on. If someone doesn't post, I will research the issue and find out what the conversion is. Best use of many of the TDS meters is to let us know when to change the RO membrane or the Cation/anion resins. It is really of little use for us outside that, although in mono or di specie specific solutions, conductivity gives us a means of calculating the concentration of that specie/species based on its concentration. Salinity of seawater may be calculated as well in so long as it is truly seawater with the roportioinality of it conservative elements intact. Many home aquaria, over time, have skewed this value, especially in systems that have few water changes and use 2 part ca/alk additives.

Hope this helps, looking for a post from our water purification experts now.
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MIkeS -- I beleive they are the same thing. The one I have is a hand held unit and also has to be calibrated like yours. My is called a TDS meter but is actually doing a coductivity test on the water. Your readings seem to be on track.

Of course the level of tap water is dependant on where you live. A level of 15 is right on track comming from the membrane and a level of 0 is correct for a new DI cartridge. The DI cartridges get used up the quickest and the final output level will slowly rise as the DI starts getting used up. If it's a color changing kind don't worry about the color go by the meter.

When the final output reaches at most 10 then change the DI. The membrane should last a year or more. You can wait till the membrane gets to 50 or so but the higher the level comming from the membrane the faster you will use up DI cartridges so it's a money tradeoff game for when you actually change the membrane. A flush kit is suppose to make the membrane last longer.

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Old 11-06-2002, 12:09 AM   #9
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Tom was posting at the same time I was. After reading his post I checked my TDS meter directions and he is correct. Mine is giving a reading in ppm. The acceptable values I gave are ppm values. This information I got from reading numerious articles about TDS meters and talking w/ the owner of the company where I bought my RO/DI unit and TDS meter.

So a conversion will be needed. But it still should give you a ballpark where your DI is in relation to the output of your membrane. Eventually your DI cartridge will give you the same output as the membrane at which point the DI is doing nothing.
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Old 11-06-2002, 09:01 AM   #10
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I have justed replaced all 3 RO/DI cartidges, so the reading of 0 is what I would expect. The main reason I purchased the Conductivity Meter was to monitor the membrane. While there seems to be some differences in the measurements used by different meters, I'm feeling that my membrane is still in good shape. Thanks for you help.
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