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Old 02-21-2003, 11:23 PM   #16
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OK - I'm a little confused. I read the article. In problem area zone #3 there is a link that is a calculator as to how much Calcium Chloride is recommended to get from the current ca value to the desired ca value. well I entered the volume of water in U.S. gallons for my tank (i guessed around 170 because of displacement), the target ca value is 425 ppm, and I entered 405 ppm as the current ca value because I only want to adjust 20ppm per day. The calculator calculates that I need to add 10 teaspoons of Turbo Calcium to get from 405 to 425. WOW! and I thought 2 teaspoons per day was aggressive. Does this sound correct? If so I better get a bigger bucket of Turbo Calcium.

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Old 02-22-2003, 05:39 AM   #17
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There's a thread floating around here somewhere where Jerel posted that he uses 8-12 tsp per day in his tank. I'm using about 4 tsp per day just to maintain in the 400 neighborhood. Just be sure to drip it in slowly.
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Old 02-22-2003, 12:11 PM   #18
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Thanks Rick.

I suppose that does actually relate to why my ca has not risen with the 2 teaspoon dosage.
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Old 02-22-2003, 12:35 PM   #19
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I use seachems product and only add 5ml a day to maintain my Ca at 430ppm, I have some really up and coming montipora's also. ESV's website states that you should add the Ca additive on opposite days from the carbonate buffer, or you can be at risk of precipitating out your calcium along with magnesium and strontium.
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Old 02-22-2003, 12:45 PM   #20
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I use seachems product and only add 5ml a day to maintain my Ca at 430ppm, I have some really up and coming montipora's also. ESV's website states that you should add the Ca additive on opposite days from the carbonate buffer, or you can be at risk of precipitating out your calcium along with magnesium and strontium.
Whoa! ..... I was adding them within minutes of each other. I might as well been pouring it right down the drain. (sheesh)

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Old 02-22-2003, 01:25 PM   #21
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LOL I did the same thing with kent 2 part But like Seachems products, they said they only use food grade or pharmecutical grade chemicals, plus unlike Kent they don't add a bunch of other stuff, neccessary or not, Kent only claims that they use regent grade, almost food grade. ESV has not responded to my email about what grade chemicals they use.
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Old 02-23-2003, 01:53 PM   #22
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Here's the progress so far on the DIY Calcium reactor:
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Old 02-23-2003, 02:36 PM   #24
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ca / alk update


OK - I've dosed 10 teaspoons of turbo calcium on 2-21-03 and 10 teaspoons od turbo calcium on 2-22-03.

2-23-03:

Calcium 320 ppm
Alk 8.6 dKH

All I've done is drive down my alk. According to the calculator, I should be at approx. 360 ppm for ca.

well, seeing how both values are below desired levels, I'm going to start dosing the 2 part B-Ionic rather aggressively. But alternate days for each part (thanks Jimbo )

I'm going to see what 150 ml of each part does to increase the levels.

Wish me luck.........where's Genie when you need her??
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Old 02-23-2003, 03:29 PM   #25
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Re: ca / alk update


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Calcium 320 ppm
Alk 8.6 dKH

All I've done is drive down my alk. According to the calculator, I should be at approx. 360 ppm for ca.

well, seeing how both values are below desired levels, I'm going to start dosing the 2 part B-Ionic rather aggressively. But alternate days for each part (thanks Jimbo )

I'm going to see what 150 ml of each part does to increase the levels.
Do you have a lot of calcium loving creatures in your tank? If so, don't forget that while your trying to increase the calcium, that they are still going to be using it up. Also don't expect miracles overnight, give it a few days of heavy dosing to bring the levels up, trying to raise the calcium level too fast will cause not only Alk swings but can also cause PH swings as well. Throwing all of the other parameters out of wack to try and correct one will only cause even more problems in the long run. Remember, patience is the key to reef tanks... Also while 8.6dkh is at the low end of the desired levels it's still within acceptable levels. Here's a great conversion chart for Alkalinity which also shows the target ranges...

http://ozreef.org/reference/alkalinity_conversion.html

Unfortunately I don't use the 2 part additives, I drip Kalk, so I can't help you much with how much to dose. A while back Jerel (at least I think it was Jerel) posted on how to track what your tank is using so that you can determine how much you need to add on a daily basis to maintain your desired levels. I remember it had to do with starting out with a set dose and then testing your parameters after dosing (1 hr I think) then testing again 24 hrs later. If the target range is low, then add more, test again (1 hr I think) and then again in 24 hrs. Keep following that regimine till you are able to maintain the target levels on a daily basis. HTH.
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Old 02-23-2003, 08:42 PM   #26
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Also you might try seachems reef advantage, you can get liquid for or dry. I have had no problems with ph and it always has raised my calcium levels regardless

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Old 02-23-2003, 10:52 PM   #27
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Thanks Cyberchef.

That info is very helpful. The approach I took by adding 20 teaspoons of Turbo in two days was based on the info I received earlier in the post regarding an article by Randy Holmes Farley. At least I think I followed the reccomendations described in the article. It seemed clear that I was in the zone 3 area, but now appear to be in the area 2.

I'm going to see how things go with the aggressive 2-part stuff over the next few days. I think I will have the reactor operational by next weekend....another train wreck waiting to happen J/K.

I wil definitely keep the reef advantage in mind, but I think the ca reactor is really going to do the trick. Well at least I hope so.

Thanks for everyones help so far
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Old 02-27-2003, 12:42 AM   #28
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ca / alk update


2-26-03

Whoo Hooo <---can we get one of these guys doin the running man and shouting who's your daddy?

ca: 350 ppm (on the rise from 320ppm)
alk: 8.6 dKH (well.......how bout that calcium)

have been dosing 150 ml of each part B-Ionic on alternating days.
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Old 02-28-2003, 02:16 AM   #29
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OK - The ca reactor is up and operational.

I'll post some pics tomorrow as well as some water parameters.

Thanks for everyones help.

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Old 02-28-2003, 06:37 AM   #30
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Cali Kid: Are you saying that ESV (2-part additive) product the calcium additive should be added one day and the alkalinity addivite on the opposite day? I've been adding them each daily. Do you have their web site address? I couldn't find one on the container. Thanks.
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