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Old 04-03-2001, 11:32 PM   #1
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IMPORTANT INFORMATION - regarding the storage of SW and RO/DI water for Top-Offs.LONG


Hello All,

I have come upon some interesting information that I thought I should pass along as I feel it could affect all of us that store SW mixtures and RO/DI water for Top-Off:

I use Rubbermaid "Roughneck Refuse Containers", model 1339, for the storage and mixing of SW and RO/DI water for my reef tank. I never thought about checking the water being held in these containers because it is common practice to use trash containers to do this and these trash cans were bought specifically for this purpose and completely new and clean.

Recently, I have been "curing" some Lace Rock in an aquarium tank for use as Base Rock in my tank. I have been testing for different things including PHOSPHATE in the tank to make sure that there aren't any problems with the rock "leaching" substances into the water.

I have been getting a test result of 1.0ppm of Phosphate in the "curing tank". I tested my main tank and get a reading of 0.0ppm Phosphate. This lead me to believe that the rock was leaching Phosphate into the curing tank's water. I wanted to make sure so I checked the stored RO/DI water, first with a TDS (Total Dissolved Solids) Meter and got a reading of 215. There has never been anything in the trash can except RO/DI water, a new PH, new heater and aeration.

I did a Phosphate test and got a reading of ~0.75ppm of Phosphate in the RO/DI storage water. I then tested the TAP water for Phosphate and it was ~0.5ppm Phosphate. I then tested the output of the RO/DI Unit itself and found that the TDS reading was ~001 and the Phosphate reading was 0.0ppm.

This means that the trash can itself was suspect.

I called Rummermaid in Wooster OH and talked to a Customer Service Rep. and told asked her if it was possible for the trash can (Roughneck Refuse Container #1339) could LEACH into the contents fo the can. She quite readily said that IT WAS POSSIBLE because these are made of Recyled Material. She email me the codes that are molded into the cans and their meaning for what the cans are made of. I have copied the information into this post below:

Thank you for your interest in Rubbermaid Products.

Each of our products has a recycling code molded into the plastic on the container. It is a triangle with a number in the triangle, and letters along the bottom of the triangle, which indicate the material the product is made of. Codes are as follows:

1 - PETE polyethylene
2 - HDPE high density polyethylene
4 - LDPE low density polyethylene
5 - PP polypropylene
6 - PS polystyrene

I asked her if Rubbermaid maid containers that were safe for FOOD USE. She said that their Commercial Division has products like this and gave me their number: 1-800-347-9800. I called and they have containers that are USDA approved for meat and Poultry use. They have many products, and if you want to check them out you can go to: http://www.rubbermaid.com or http://www.rubbermaidcommercial.com The web page on the 32gal containers that are USDA approved is: http://www.rubbermaidcommercial.com/...search=2643-00

This will list the USDA codes and other information. You can also find local dealers from the site or the number listed above for these containers.

I can also tell you that they are not cheap. The Model 2632 in Grey, White or Yellow, which are the ones that are USDA approved) list for $31.68, the Lid Model 2631 lists for $9.42 and the dolly for the container is Model 2640 and is lists for $47.00.

I can also tell you that Office Depot sells the Rubbermaid "BRUTE" line model 2632 for $23.99, the lid 2631 for $6.99 and they seem to seel the dolly, but I couldn't find a price. This link is: http://officedepot.com/shop/search/r...G1 F7TCF&PP=14

You might have to cut and paste the last link due to it's length...

I am sorry this was so long, but I thought it was important to let you all know about this situation.

HTH,

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Old 04-03-2001, 11:46 PM   #2
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wow...thanks for the info. I was getting ready to go buy two of these containers myself.
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Old 04-04-2001, 12:01 AM   #3
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Yeah, I have three of the "wrong ones". I think I can take them back to Home Depot. They have a VERY liberal return policy. Then order the "right" ones.

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Old 04-04-2001, 12:11 AM   #4
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That price is about right. At least that's what Lowe's was selling them for. I think the casters were a little cheaper at Lowe's...if I remember correctly they were about $27. I'll bet my LFS don't know about this....because they're the ones that told me to go to HD. Thanks again for the info!
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Old 04-04-2001, 12:38 AM   #5
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Thanks Pegasis. I'm printing this for my archieves.
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Old 04-04-2001, 12:57 AM   #6
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FWIW I scrubbed the h*** out of mine with kalk paste then soaked them twice in a stong kalk solution for 2 days before using them, my fastest PO4 kit tested negligible but i havent retested lately, I may do that after it nearly empty, thanks for the heads up Steven
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Old 04-04-2001, 12:59 AM   #7
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BTW Toadally glad to see you wandered this way again Hows the reef doing?
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Thanks for the info Steven. I have 2 of the gray "Brute" containers. From the info on their website they are supposed to be USDA approved. Am I reading that correctly? Are mine the right ones?

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hey Doug!
Thanks! It's doing fine, at least so far. I just set up my 72 bow front about 5 weeks ago. The 25 gal reef tank that ran for about a year crashed on me. I think the main cause was the plenum. This time around...NO plenum!
Nice to see you again.....take care!
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Thanks for the info Steven; true, recycling is good for the environment, evidently just not the ones in our tanks!

Toadally, dude! Long time no see; don't be such a stranger

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Old 04-05-2001, 08:45 PM   #11
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Rick O,

As far as my research and the info form Rubbermaid, if you have Model 2632 in Gray, White or Yellow, they are "USDA approved for Meat and Poultry". Those are the one's that I am going to buy anyway...

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Old 04-05-2001, 09:37 PM   #12
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Steven,

I'm impressed at your research and dilagence! Great job! Really appriciate the information and the follow through you did with Rubermaid! Most of us usually don't get as good of results when dealing with the "800" numbers, you definatly did your work!!!! Thanks....

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Old 04-05-2001, 10:09 PM   #13
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JJ (John),

Thank you. When I find out things like this, I try to share the info. I know how important some of these things can be.

If you REALLY want some detailed info that I got from the USFDA http://www.fda.gov is the actual coding that they use for "Food Containers". The Code 177.1520 which is gone into EXTREME detail on this link http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...2000&TYPE=TEXT

Might have to cut and paste to use because of it's length...

I got this Code from a member of another BB and I have to admit that the information is much too involved for my abilities.

The basic idea though is if a product has this Code from the USFDA then it is "Food Safe".

That's the lasest info on this subject...

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Thanks so much for sharing all your research. Must admit when I read this I thought, OH NO not another set of trach cans! I have just gone through a wild ride on trash cans because I wanted to replace the 30g ones I was using with bigger ones. First I got the rubbermaid cans on wheels only to find after the first day of making up water (60 gpd) the darned thing fell over and spilled water (only about 35-40 gals) all over my sunroom floor! Not strong enough! Then I ran back to Home Depot the next day determined to get a bigger set that would work. Got a set of the gray ones that are USDA approved (not knowing about this at that time) They seemed stronger and had a round bottom. I'm so glad I got the right ones. Now I have two 6 trash cans which I never use!$$$$$$ This hobby surely is expensive when you make a mistake.
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