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05-01-2003, 12:24 PM
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The Border Collie Mod
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The History of Captive Marine Closed Systems
This can be a fun thread!
Who wants to start with the Romans and Egyptians and their salt water ponds using live rock and live sand? 
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05-01-2003, 12:46 PM
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Big Fishy
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how about the aliens that dropped there dna in a little water and then sat around to see what would happen, no water changes in a couple 100 million years now thats impressive
jim
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05-03-2003, 11:52 AM
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If I turn it in before the due date do I get extra credit? 
I need to get back to this after I ingest more caffinated substances.
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05-03-2003, 12:03 PM
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The Border Collie Mod
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That's what happened to me too, Alice.
Maybe we need to just jump ahead to the late 1700's and start there.
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05-03-2003, 02:29 PM
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Shark
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Well, about 4.5 billion years ago, massive collisions of cosmic dust and debris orbiting the sun formed the skeleton of our planet...
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05-03-2003, 02:34 PM
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Shark
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Oh yea I remember the good old days.....Damm I miss that cosmic dust.
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05-03-2003, 03:32 PM
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Stress Monger
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Quote:
Originally posted by mojoreef
Oh yea I remember the good old days.....Damm I miss that cosmic dust.
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Careful Mike your showing your age...  
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05-03-2003, 04:24 PM
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Shark
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LOL Mike, about 50 million tons of cosmogenic sediments are deposited yearly in the oceans. Whats to miss?
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05-03-2003, 07:19 PM
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Shark
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Yea I guess over time it does build up in your system...What did we used to call that........Flashbacks ...thats it.
Mike
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05-04-2003, 12:26 PM
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TRT Staff The Mominator
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LOL!!
I did a google on "ancient Egypt saltwater ponds" and came up with quite a few hits. Seems they were fond of eels
Here's a link, there's some interesting stuff there and in the links in the article.
Egyptian SW
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05-04-2003, 01:41 PM
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Uhh, Jerel, yours and my first tank likely do outdate the Roman empire.
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05-04-2003, 02:40 PM
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The Border Collie Mod
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Quote:
Originally posted by Douglas Lowey
Uhh, Jerel, yours and my first tank likely do outdate the Roman empire.
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and the Jurassic!
I think there's a big misconception that sand beds and live rock are the "new" thing. From the first time someone walked down to the beach and tried to bring something home, they noticed that adding some beach sand and a few rocks kept it alive longer.
Every time anything new or different came out, it was an attempt to improve on the sand and rocks. Why? because sand and rocks needed improvement and was not perfect either.
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05-04-2003, 10:08 PM
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The Border Collie Mod
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Think about this, maybe you guys are just on the wrong track from the get go.
Thomas W Vaughn had a marine lab in the Dry Tortugas (now part of our preserve) in the late 1800's to mid 1900's (then his wife made him come home). However, while he was here he not only kept but spawned and raised most of the Caribbean hard corals (I believe you guys call them SPS), some even through several generations. One in particular was Porites, though two generations ----> are you paying attention? Porites is considered one of the hardest/most difficult corals (at least from what I've read on these boards) He did not use DSB's, he did not feed blender mush, DT's, Tetra, nada - he fed nothing --> through spawning, larvae, settlement, and rearing and raised these corals for up to 8 years (before his wife made him come home).
Most all our Marine Labs and Growouts are based on his methods. They work, the ones you're using do not.
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05-04-2003, 10:24 PM
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Shark
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"Porites is considered one of the hardest/most difficult corals (at least from what I've read on these boards)"
LOL, you didn't hear this from me, but hobbyists aren't the only ones having trouble with it, just ask Jean Jaubert or one of his cohorts .
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05-04-2003, 10:37 PM
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Plankton
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Ok I'll bite; you teased us now you have to spill the gory details. What is it that he did differently that led to his success? Also, are you pretty sure they were truly closed systems being that close to the ocean?
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