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Old 08-31-2000, 10:13 AM   #1
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no coraline growth--Why?




Ok I'm stumped.My 125 gal fish/reef combo has been up and running for almost a year.All fish and corals doing fine.Did have a couple bouts of hair algae blooms but ridded phosphates and all is well now.I use kalk/reef builder/marine buffer and have even tried spectra-vital but no coraline growth anywhere.I have icecap 660 with 440 watts acitinc/proglow mix running 12-13 hrs a day.Parameters all within normal limits(calcium/alk/ph/ect)I do have white dots over my glass and hardware but no coraline growth at all.I suspect the white dots are calcium deposits.My LR has maintained its color but no spread or growth any ideas? thanks

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Old 08-31-2000, 12:18 PM   #2
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How much regular algae do you get growing on your glass, powerheads, etc over the course of a few days. The coralline is competing with the other stuff and if you get a bunch that you have to scrape off of your glass than things may still be preferrable for the nuisance algaes (higher DOC's). Your glass should be getting covered over the course of say 2-3 weeks if the coralline were able to flourish.
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Old 08-31-2000, 02:11 PM   #3
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I have the same problem with no coralline aglae growing. Had a lot of other algae on glass and lr but my clean up crew made short work of that several weeks ago. Since then, there has been absolutely nothing new with the coralline.

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Old 08-31-2000, 05:15 PM   #4
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I hear of many people having slow or no coralline algae growth.
I am not sure why.
IME I have had great coralline algae growth with.
(1) low medium high calcium and low medium high alkalinity levels.
(2) Low and normal magnesium level.
(3) 150w MH lighting and 400w MH lighting.
(4) Adding iodine and trace elements and not adding iodine and trace elements.
(5) With light general feeding to heavy general feeding.
(6) Three brands of salt.
(7) Lower temps to higher temps lower s/g to natural sw s/g.
(8) Medium to low skimming.
Just about every situation I have had I get great coralline algae growth except when I had a hair algae problem but the coralline algae took off as soon as this was corrected did take a little but it got there in the end.
The only thing different I seem to do from the posts I read that have had trouble with coralline algae is that I have always used a calcium reactor and they do not??.
Sorry not much help
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Old 08-31-2000, 06:18 PM   #5
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The best coralline booster I've come accross is B-Ionic.

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Old 08-31-2000, 08:45 PM   #6
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just found a link on coralline algae's looks like it will be interesting I look forwards to reading up on it later.
Check out HERE

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Old 09-01-2000, 07:01 PM   #8
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Hi ya, love the salt,

Two things usually prevent the growth of coralline algae in a reef tank:

1) The absence of coralline alga spores
2) Competition from faster-growing non-coralline algae

So, you must first provide a source for coralline alga spores and induce spore production by keeping the alga happy. They have all the requirements of other algae, but can get by on less.

That's why you find them thriving even in nutrient-poor, light-poor, herbivore-heavy locations (cave underhangs, etc). This does not mean that they prefer low light and low nutrients, only that the poverty of light and nutrients keeps out competing algae.

[Flip over bare-looking reef rubble in nature, and you'll find the pinks and reds on the UNDERSIDE of the rubble. Why? Because they don't have competition (and also they are protected from the harsher herbivores like certain sea urchins. The topside of the rubble gets enough light to allow greens and browns to flourish, choking out any coralline algae: the colonizing greens and browns also invite the attention of herbivores and if these happen to include the severe urchins like Genus Diadema, Echinothrix, etc., the rock is constantly grazed bare! Ooops, I'm straying from the issue... ]

So....here's what you do:

Get as much of that competing algae out, by hand if you need to. Reduce nutrient input, or invest in more detritivores to clean up the scraps before unwanted algae can utilize the rot. Boosting calcium binds down usable phosphate and other nutrients, and provides corallines with building material.

Boost your herbivore complement. I've heard that Tripneustes gratilla is an urchin that isn't as harsh a hebivore as some others --yank it out if it's too severe. Trochus snails are proven winners. Fishes like tangs are IMO useless by themselves: they just graze enough to ensure future regrowth (self serving, eh?) --they do reduce the length of growths to where the snails can get 'em.

AFTER all that, ensure a source of coralline algae spores. If you have to buy a really-encrusted fist-sized rock, do it. Place it in a partially shaded zone, and encourage very good flow through the location to disperse spores.


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PS: Bill's right about ESV B-Ionic. Used properly, it can indeed boost coralline algae growth, but go easy on it if it starts to encourage even the mildest dinoflagellate or cyanobacteria outbreaks (red/tan slime or dark blue-green film): that's a sure sign you're overdosing --and the manufacturer's recommendations on dosing seem a bit on the heavy side
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Old 09-01-2000, 08:31 PM   #9
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Again Thanks Horge.
That does make sence and well presented as always
Martyn

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Old 09-01-2000, 09:23 PM   #10
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LTS,
I suspect your lighting setup may be a factor. I believe Powerglo's are lower light spectrum which promote the growth of blue and green algae. Horge mentioned the competition from non-light loving algae which would be encouraged by the Powerglo's. While you may not be experiencing blooms, it could be enough to inhibit the coralline. Replacing these with URI actinic white (50/50's) would be my choice.
440 watts isn't a lot for a 125. The "wattspergallon" rule of thumb isn't a precise factor but you're just about 3.5 per.
My own tank showed virtually no coralline growth, though like yours it looked good, until I boosted the lighting and started dripping kalk for all top off water and then the purple took off!
Just a thought....its tough following horge and Martyn!!
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Old 09-01-2000, 10:53 PM   #11
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This is a great post! I've got much the same problem in my 29. White stuff on the glass (some could be baby snails...I've actually seen one of those), but still cyano, and green stuff. BUT...I think I've seen a tiny patch of coraline on one of the powerheads! And mebbe, just mebbe a new patch of a luciously lovely lavender patch on rock.

OK...call the alliteration police on me, Dick

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Old 09-02-2000, 09:28 AM   #12
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thanks everyyone!All good advice-- I'll get to work and keep you posted!

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