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Old 03-18-2001, 11:07 PM   #1
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Chronic Cyano


I have a chronic bloom of Cyano that is not disasterous but a real bite in the shorts. I have used two different R/O units and my parameters are stable as follows: Ph 8.25, Nitrate, Nitrite, Ammonia all below detection (salifert) Calcium 500, Alk 11. I add only Kent Kalkwasser and Seachem Reefbuilder for buffering. I feed Formula one with selcon added three timer per week. I dose DT's every other day. I have tried everything and am frustrated. I have heard that R/O will not remove silicates. Is that true? If so will a DI unit remove them. I will call Spectrapure tomorrow and ask about modifying my current unit to include DI. Any other suggestions.
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Old 03-19-2001, 01:56 AM   #2
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Just a curosity question have you tried cutting down on the feedings? Maybe go to one a week? Just an Idea. Also how old is your lighting? Old bulbs will have some effect on cyno as well. Just some thoughts. Saod ya have tried everything and I didnt know what everything involved.

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Old 03-19-2001, 02:31 AM   #3
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DI behind an RO unit will yield purer water than RO alone and is always good for a reef, whether dealing with problems or not.
Cyanobacteria and Diatoms are always present in the tank, actually they are vital components of the food web and completely removing them is not a good thing. However when conditions permit them to get the upper hand they can be a real pain in the hinie.
They are nutrient driven so reducing the food supply will be a good start. Also as Jeff mentioned sometimes aging bulbs are implicated tho I have run bulbs way past the "normal" life span without getting a cyano bloom. Others have reported a direct correlation. Increased circulation or even moving a powerhead to change the flow pattern may help. Tom Wyatt has posted extensivly on cyano in a couple threads, you might try search and see what comes up. My advice if your bulbs arent old is cut way back on feeding, and run actinic only for a week. Add the DI and siphon out as much as you can. You will get past this with diligence
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Old 03-19-2001, 06:11 AM   #4
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Ditto on what Jeff and Doug said.
I fought the Cyano War a year and a half ago in my 55. I read everything I could and asked the questions and tried everything within reason(except miracle cures and potions). What seemed to turn the corner for me was increasing circulation at the bottom with another powerhead; cutting back some on feeding; and dripping Kalkwasser for all top-off water. (I don't have an RO unit but use the TWP DI unit) Cyano outbreaks seem to affect tanks at the 6-9 month level as the tank is struggling to achieve balance and maturity. It can strike mature systems as well if conditions are favorable for its growth.

There is an axiom that "Cyano doesn't like circulation" and that seems to be the case. The powerhead at the bottom, sweeping across the substrate, eliminated dead spots. You also need to have good circulation at the surface to promote gas exchange.

Cyano, like other algae, is nutrient driven as Doug said. Cutting down on feeding (without starving anybody) helps.

Hobby test kits only detect inorganic Phosphates; its the organics that feed the Cyano. Kalkwasser binds the Organic Phosphates which are then exported through skimming. DI does remove the Phosphates from source water but Phosphates are introduced with food as well. I would abstain from the Phosphate removing products; They do not attack the source of the problem; some are virtually worthless; some may affect your corals; some may affect the chemistry balance in your tank; all are only a temporary fix for the the underlying problems.

IMHO, the essential ingredients in an anti-Cyano action are the same as for general good husbandry in the tank = proper feeding; good circulation; proper lighting; Kalkwasser dripping; effective protein skimming; good source water. I'm no water chemistry expert but this summarizes my own experience and what I've learned from reading and advice from those who know far more than I.

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Old 03-20-2001, 10:42 PM   #5
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Ph 8.25, Nitrate, Nitrite, Ammonia all below detection (salifert) Calcium 500, Alk 11. I add only Kent Kalkwasser and Seachem Reefbuilder for buffering. I feed Formula one with selcon added three timer per week. I dose DT's every other day. I have tried everything and am frustrated. I have heard that R/O will not remove silicates
Your numbers look ok and the things you are doing should be ok also. Keep in mind that although your nitrate may be undetectable, as well as phosphate and other nutrient problems, that cyano will uptake these nutrients and make them unavailable to other organisms, as well eliminating the ability to detect them in the water column if your numbers are moderate to low to start with. Cyano grows extremely quickly: it can double its population in 30 minutes. If there are no other means of controlling the population in the tank (consumers or competitors for the same nutrients), then it can quickly overtake any competition and bloom in a single day. Often the blooms will follow the photoperiod, and much of the bloom will die each night. As it dies, it releases it's nutrients back into the water column, making those resources available for the next bloom unless they are removed. More than likely, your bloom is almost non existant in the mornings. This is when your water parameters should be tested. You may find that the pH is low also, this is normal, but higher pH levels of 8.3 to 8.4 in the morning help to eliminate cyano blooms. The blooms will get larger over a period of time, but daily cycles of growth are the usual for these organisms. One of the best methods of removing the nutrients and the seeding organisms is to wait until the end of a day's growth and siphon out the mats. this not only removes the slime, but removes the nutrients locked up in ther cells as well. Doing this over several days will probably stop the blooms. Drip a little extra kalkwasser into the system to additionally boost your dKH and calcium, as well as remove some of the phosphate. If you have a buddy nearby that has a similar setup but doesn't have cyano problems, ask them for a cup of their substrate. Peter Wilkins addressed this issue at MACNA this year, and thinks that predation of the cyanobacteria by a cyano-consumer is the best way to eliminate the blooms.

The physical factors that Doug and Dick have addressed are all part of the picture, especially circulation. Cyanobacteria has very poor active transport and must absorb a good deal of its nutrients via diffusion, and needs slow or still wawter to do this to its best advantage. The real kicker is that if the water is still enough, cyanobacteria has the capability to fix nitrogen from the atmosphere instead of relying on nitrate or ammonia for its nitrogen: cyanobacteria are members of the bluegreen algae, probably some of the first creatures to evolve out of the primordial soup. They are the reason that earth has an atmosphere with 20% oxygen as well as a fairly low carbon dioxide content. Many bentic organisms use cyanobacteria as a food source, so using one of the antibacterial products is like asking your sandbed to start the maturation process all over again. I would encourage you to hang tough and to do the things that BIOLOGICALLY control the bloom, as it will ultimately lead to a more stable sand bed, and thusly lead to a more stable microcosm in your little slice of the ocean.

Hope this helps, as Doug said, there should be more info in some of the older threads. BTW, silicate in the form of organosilicates will feed DIATOM blooms, but really don't affect cyanobacteria. However, phosphates DO feed cyano blooms, all the more reason for using RO/DI water.
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