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Old 12-14-2008, 01:16 PM   #46
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Even if the pipe was only 1 inch the distance of two feet still would push total loss are 8.22 feet of head pressure, or 3.68 PSI. with a flow rate of 2712 GPH. Even if that pipe happend to be 3/4 inch ID I dont see how it could be possible to run. But I wouldnt honestly recamend a mag 36 on a 75 gallon tank that to me is to much.
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Old 12-14-2008, 01:31 PM   #47
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for starters why would you want to have dual overflows in a 90g tank?
Built in redundancy is why I have dual drains in my 120. If one of them gets clogged, the tank will still drain instead of running the sump dry and flooding the display. They are in a single overflow box but there are two drains.
With a coast-to-coast overflow on a 48" tank (a 90G tank), it is easier to support the overflow box with either a single center box or with dual boxes in the corners. Otherwise you have to try to figure out how to attach it to the glass or hang it on the edge of the tank.

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I don't mean to differ but from what I've read you want aleast 8-10 times the turnover rate also depending on the bioload.
Are you referring to in tank flow or turnover through the sump? Turnover through the sump should be dictated, in part, by the skimmer. To be accurate, the flowrate through the skimmer compartment should match the skimmer. The flowrate through any other part of the sump won't matter as long as the sump and drain can handle it. The main reason I have ever said that flowrate through the sump itself should be matched to the skimmer is because, typically, the skimmer compartment isn't isolated from the sump flow itself.

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I have seen a 3600 mag hooked up to 75 gal RR tank. Overkill and Loud but worked fine. Check out post 22 on this thread.
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Well, I put a Mag 3600 on a single 75 gallon MegaFlow. Worked. Period.
With what kind of drains? A standard 1" drain bulkhead? My 90 has a 1" drain in it and can't handle my Mag18 wide open, I would have to see a Mag36 in that tank before I believed it. I won't say it can't happen, I would just have to see it (and probably wear ear muffs). If the drain is at the bottom of the overflow box, with no standpipe, then the rising water level will increase the pressure and help force water through the drain under pressure (its where the toilet noise comes from on a drain) but not enough pressure to force 3600 gallons through a 1" pipe.

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to my understanding you should have your sump turnover to be matched approximately to your skimmer so that your skimmer can run properly.
Real close. The flowrate through the skimmer compartment should be matched to your skimmer. If your sump is designed with two water paths to the return pump, you can increase the flowrate through the sump but maintain proper flowrate to the skimmer. If your skimmer only needs 300 gph (to match the pump on it) and you have a 600 gph drain, you can tee off the drain, send 300 into the skimmer compartment and if nowhere else, you can send the other 300 to the pump chamber. It lets you increase "sump flow" without having a negative impact on the skimmer.

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Ok I am just wondering how a megaflo that can handle 600 gph can keep up with a pump that is rated at 3200 gph at 4ft. How is that possible?
I tried it with a Mag18 and had to throttle it back. I, too, am curious how they managed that.
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Old 12-14-2008, 01:36 PM   #48
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OLDETOWN, did I read right that the inlet of the pump was hooked directly to the drain of the tank and pumped it into the sump and then a second pump in the sump pumped it back into the tank? If so, that might actually work as it isn't being gravity fed and is instead being sucked down the pipe by the inlet pressure of the pump itself.
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Old 12-14-2008, 01:38 PM   #49
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I use the 3600's on systems with 2 tanks. I dont think anyone recomended using a 3600 on a single overflow system. On the 30 75's Overflows I've sold in the last 3 years I know I haven't. If anyone wants, in January I will be setting up 4 more 75's and I am more than willing to show anyone if they want to see the max flow a megaflow can handle. The Forbidden Reef(Shawn) and a few other were here during test 3 years ago.
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Old 12-14-2008, 01:51 PM   #50
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You peeked my interest I may have to stop by and see that. I am interested.
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Old 12-14-2008, 01:51 PM   #51
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Totally 100% gravity fed. All my systems are. Plumbing is the 29251 MegaFlow All-Glass Overflow Accessory Kit. Sumps are all Megaflow #4 Dual Sump model. I use 10 of them here each connected to either 2 75's or 2 55's. Plus a few other single setups. Directly under 2 tanks. That is why I tested each type of tank to see the maximum flow incase I ever had to shut one side down.
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Old 12-14-2008, 01:52 PM   #52
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Well, I put a Mag 3600 on a single 75 gallon MegaFlow. Worked. Period.
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I use the 3600's on systems with 2 tanks. I dont think anyone recomended using a 3600 on a single overflow system.
I won't argue about whether you said it would work or not, I am trying to figure out HOW it might have worked.

If the inlet of the pump is hooked directly to the drain and pulled water out of the overflow box and pumped it into the sump, then a second pump pumped water back into the tank, I could possibly see how it might work that way and be able to handle the flow through a 1" pipe since its not being gravity fed anymore, its being force fed through the pipe.

I have two Mag18'es and a 90 with a 1" drain that is empty. I may try it this coming weekend when I am in Florida and see if it will work that way with the drain hooked directly to the pump. The issue then would become trying to match the flowrates of the two pumps so that one wouldn't run dry.
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Old 12-14-2008, 01:56 PM   #53
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Im not trying to argue either it just peeked my interest on how it is done
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Old 12-14-2008, 01:56 PM   #54
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The exit from the overflows are not PVC. I use the hose that the #4's come with. Condi, more than welcome to come in anytime. Not trying to argue at all here guys, just stated what I have tested here and why.
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Old 12-14-2008, 01:59 PM   #55
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I think that in order to get it out of this thread and let this thread get back to what it was about - a custom tank - I will start a thread in the DIY or GRD area. The idea intrigues me and I want to find out about it, this thread just isn't the best place to try to discuss it
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Old 12-14-2008, 02:05 PM   #56
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ODH, definately not hooked right back into pump. Just gravity. I can easily rerun this in January when setting up more tanks, I might have done it wrong but there were quit a few people here when we did it and we were all pretty suprised. This has been a very good debate. This is using the megaflow model, not cornerflow. They are much slower on the 55 corner models.
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Old 12-14-2008, 02:14 PM   #57
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I agree with the great debate but man we hijackedd this thread bad
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Old 12-14-2008, 02:19 PM   #58
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Old 12-14-2008, 02:46 PM   #59
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what was this thread about?
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Old 12-14-2008, 10:50 PM   #60
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ok.....i had to start all over reading my own thread!!!


its easy to get sidetracked in a thread when someone mentions what they have......


i do believe im gona run dual OF's......and a mag 12....im trying to keep everything wrote down so i know what im getting when i place the order....

the one thing i know for sure is ill be adding my 130lbs LR, plus 17lb or so tonga branch and another 30-50lb more LR to the 90....dual OF's, mag12,the sump that im gona be running is rated for 500g(cant remember the name brand...chime in anytime brad), 480w t5's which im ordering in 2 weeks,still gona be runnin my dual cpr for now unless i find a skimmer by the time the tank gets here....

wont be restocking the tank till the new setup has been up at least a month....might go ahead and order my 2 new fish once the tank gets here thou so they can be in QT for a few weeks....atlantic blue tang and a powder brown.....

once them get here the inhabitants will be...2 firefish and the 2 tangs, the elegant foxface is gona be iffy...not sure if he is gona go back in the 90 or stay with the 75g when it goes back up as a NON-CORAL tank.....

im gona keep the stockin LOW in this tank in case i ever have a repeat of what happened to the 75......cant afford another crash....
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