Sump Is History

[hansmatt]

odie...true, some (maybe all?) sea apples, and many types of nudibranches are incredibly colorful, and incredibly poisonous. Either when they die, or when they threatened, they can be bad for a tank. A few corals & anenomes can also be pretty bad, especially if they get eatern by a powerhead. Also some sea hares, though none of mine caused issues when they perished.

[D.J.]

naw no unknown nudi's or sea apples or anything that hit a powerhead.....


just that blue linkia......i read a few other places that some have had issues with dead stars......might of been......but with som much going on at one time its to hard to narrow it down to just one thing......

but if it was the star......i imagine like matt said the extra water might of slowed it down.......

i back to my emerior 400 with carbon and skimming wet as wet can be....so maybe with that and the WC's things will level out and i wont loose anything else....

all the corals are still doing good.....none lost......and the elegant foxface came out and ate on his seaweed clip.....so he is ok...so HOPEFULLY this is over......but i know im not outa hot water yet......

[jakecaps]

Sea Cukes are the same way as the apples and nudis. did you have any of those?

[D.J.]

nope none of them either....i was trying to avoid things that poison the water when they die or get stressed......but got into trouble anyways....

[Sndwave80]

Sorry to hear that. If you need a place to house a few corals let me know. I have a little room in my tank still.

[Jrmass]

I'm on the side that I'm seriously doubting that the sump did anything to cause this. As I have said I personally have had to do some MAJOR EXTREME water changes (due to a dying anemone) over 50% already one time. Dying starfish can foul a tank quite quickly obviously not as fast as some of the other things mentioned... But, on smaller systems just about anything dying in the tank can create havoc throughout. The easiest way that I've been able to find to check whether a star is alive or not is 1) feed it if it doesn't react in a few hours then 2) flip it upside and after a few hours it should either begin flipping itself or have already flipped itself over completely. They are not easy to maintain if you do not have a ample food source (or do not supplement the food source EVERY OTHER DAY). I personally can not get them to last in my tanks. I've tried twice even supplemented the food every other day and I think it still starved. Heck it's possible that the starfish had nothing to do with this either... Just about anything could cause a crash. Too much bioload for the tank to handle (aka too many fish/inverts for one tank), overfeeding is a very easy lead to a crash, and the addition of too many chemicals or nutrients if not properly checked. I'm just saying that there are a lot of things that could have gone wrong and it could be just one or a combination of many things that just finally gave way but, just tough it out and it'll come around.

Jason

[The Forbiden Reef]

I agree with hansmatt more water volume is good a dying star fish is not it slows things down and thats why I believe that your corals lived. I would just take some time and concentrate on what you have left. And just watch your water perimiters. Hope everything turns around for ya!

[D.J.]

well yeah i know the more vloume is better........i just gota figure out what went wrong.....

gona be going theu the 55g tank.....the rio.....the overflow.....everything untill i find something.......

there is something to be found somewhere.......just need to dig......everyone keeps talk about the rio leaking oil......ill look into that....but if brad was using it to mix water...wouldnt he of had a similar issue??

well see what happens.....im gona setup another sump but not sure if its gona be on this tank or the new tank....if that works out....

[hansmatt]

doubt a bad Rio on mixing tank would have done it...look local...dead starfish is my vote

[jenglish]

Originally Posted by D.J.

well yeah i know the more vloume is better........i just gota figure out what went wrong.....

gona be going theu the 55g tank.....the rio.....the overflow.....everything untill i find something.......

there is something to be found somewhere.......just need to dig......everyone keeps talk about the rio leaking oil......ill look into that....but if brad was using it to mix water...wouldnt he of had a similar issue??

well see what happens.....im gona setup another sump but not sure if its gona be on this tank or the new tank....if that works out....

if a rio looses the seal it is going to run out of oil pretty rapidly. If it continued to work I doubt it was leaking. The start of a leak will make itself worse pretty quick.

[D.J.]

i highly doubt its the rio myself......not a drop of oily buildup or oily skim was in the water or on the pump.....but brad wanted me to check it anyways....


ya never know i might not find anything and the linkia might of been the issue.....

but oh well.......

[pogodzib]

I don't think the newer Rio pumps have oil in them like the larger old ones did. I had a Rio nearly destroy a tank once, but my tank survived. I don't know if most things survived because the pump was on a 125 gal tank (160gal TWV) system or if the released oil wasn't enough to doom everything.

When anything dies, it can pollute a tank, but most of the pollutants will come from the critter dissolving. If that causes a minor ammonia or nitrite spike, it can cause a second creature to die and keep compounding on one another.

Larger water volumes and sumps are a great thing to have on reef tanks. However, if you nearly doubled your water volume at once and the water parameters were not the same (temp, pH, salinity, calcium, alkalinity, etc...) it can cause death to the tank's inhabitants. There are a (select) few of us that do minimal water changes and see more problems caused after water changes than anytime else. I account this to being different water parameters and getting your hands in the tank. Granted, only doing minimal water changes is not recommended. I only take that route because I have a large tank and am able to test and dose many different chemicals and use equipment that is oversized and/or not used on a typical tank.

My vote goes to the addition of a large volume of water with different parameters than the water in the tank. That probably helped cause the death of a couple inhabitants which compounded on one another.

[jakecaps]

Originally Posted by pogodzib

When anything dies, it can pollute a tank, but most of the pollutants will come from the critter dissolving. If that causes a minor ammonia or nitrite spike, it can cause a second creature to die and keep compounding on one another.

Larger water volumes and sumps are a great thing to have on reef tanks. However, if you nearly doubled your water volume at once and the water parameters were not the same (temp, pH, salinity, calcium, alkalinity, etc...) it can cause death to the tank's inhabitants. There are a (select) few of us that do minimal water changes and see more problems caused after water changes than anytime else. I account this to being different water parameters and getting your hands in the tank. Granted, only doing minimal water changes is not recommended. I only take that route because I have a large tank and am able to test and dose many different chemicals and use equipment that is oversized and/or not used on a typical tank.

My vote goes to the addition of a large volume of water with different parameters than the water in the tank. That probably helped cause the death of a couple inhabitants which compounded on one another.

linkia starfish are really bad with changes to pH especially.