Go Back   The Reef Tank > Equipment / Methodology related Forums > Reefing Equipment > Skimmers & other filtration
Register

Old 01-09-2014, 06:38 PM   #1516
FutureDoc
Aquatic Philosopher
 
FutureDoc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Asheville NC
Posts: 14,665
Images: 904
Now, I could see the smaller Omega might be planned for production in China or elsewhere in the future but the Alphas are not. I think the availability is the post-holiday non-warehouse logistic supply rearing its head. Not uncommon. Chinese product shifts would/should not affect availability but I do not thing that is the case. I would think that the recent release of the Omega 130 might be the issue if they are produced by the same folks.

My choice would likely be the Alpha but I would never drop that much money on a skimmer... at least right now...

The RLSS and DC Diablos are using the same basic Waveline pump... the licensing is a but "odd" but they are mechanically similar. The SRO is a little bit of a know entity but that does not mean it will be the best given time. It is really a toss up, as long as you are processing enough water, go whichever gives you the most air for the price and the body-build quality. I have not handled RLSS for a significant time so I can't really say all that much about the longevity/durability of the design.
__________________
Clemson Ph.D. & Mary Washington Alumnus

Need help with skimmers? Check out: The New FutureDoc Skimmer Thread!

Nano Jam! -I-I-I- My Re-Build -I-I-I- 40B Owner's Club -I-I-I- The Daily Water Change Experiment -I-I-I- My LED Build -I-I-I- Simple Guide to Beating Algae

Good Reads:
G's RME - Invic's Algae - Sudden Mass Death - LED Library
The one and only "super villain" sized signature.
Ya know you have a bunch of starving and dying hippy bacteria on your lawn! ~Invic
FutureDoc is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-09-2014, 06:42 PM   #1517
FutureDoc
Aquatic Philosopher
 
FutureDoc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Asheville NC
Posts: 14,665
Images: 904
Quote:
Originally Posted by CalmSeasQuest View Post
Interesting about the Alpha's- I saw Klause's comments but a large reseller also stated production was being moved to China as the reason none were currently available.
FYI I have seen those comments too. I think some are reiterating Klause's comments and some are not. It is a real mud-slinging issue. Until I see "Made in China" stickers on Alpha product, I would not give the rumors much credence. Keep in mind, if a website says "made in Germany" within the description, you can count of that (or get your money back easily if not). That is legal hot water if it is inaccurate.
__________________
Clemson Ph.D. & Mary Washington Alumnus

Need help with skimmers? Check out: The New FutureDoc Skimmer Thread!

Nano Jam! -I-I-I- My Re-Build -I-I-I- 40B Owner's Club -I-I-I- The Daily Water Change Experiment -I-I-I- My LED Build -I-I-I- Simple Guide to Beating Algae

Good Reads:
G's RME - Invic's Algae - Sudden Mass Death - LED Library
The one and only "super villain" sized signature.
Ya know you have a bunch of starving and dying hippy bacteria on your lawn! ~Invic
FutureDoc is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2014, 05:54 PM   #1518
CalmSeasQuest
squid
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Brighton, MI
Posts: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by FutureDoc View Post
FYI I have seen those comments too. I think some are reiterating Klause's comments and some are not. It is a real mud-slinging issue. Until I see "Made in China" stickers on Alpha product, I would not give the rumors much credence. Keep in mind, if a website says "made in Germany" within the description, you can count of that (or get your money back easily if not). That is legal hot water if it is inaccurate.
FWIW, I believe the Omegas have been made in China for some time. I was told by two sources today they are now producing the Alphas in china, then shipping them to Germany for assembly. At this point I have no clue if it's true or not. I went looking for a RLSS DB10i and learned none are available as they are being updated for the Gen 2 Waveline pumps (or at least that's what I was told.) After all the trials and tribulations, I decided to play it safe and ordered a BK Double Cone 250 RD3.

Thanks for your help.
__________________
-Tom
CalmSeasQuest is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-10-2014, 10:28 PM   #1519
FutureDoc
Aquatic Philosopher
 
FutureDoc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Asheville NC
Posts: 14,665
Images: 904
Can't go wrong with that skimmer.

With global logistic, I would not be surprised if there were globally sourced parts. For example, the screws could be made anywhere. However, I would expect more eastern-europe production because it is cheaper for Germany units. However, with transportation, you have to find the "weight adding" stages. Acrylic construction is not all that difficult and considering it is a very high-end acrylic, I would doubt they would ship good acrylic (Likely german, but if something was going to be globally sourced, then they would ship sheet acrylic, not formed acrylic... to much shipping issues after it is shaped) to a low-cost forming and then back to the plant for final assembly. There are not enough parts for it to be assembled elsewhere (pump being the exception) but the body would not be globally assembled. I know, I am over thinking this but transportation is my other "hobby".

The pumps would be more indicative of global manufacturing. The Sicce based Omega are Italian, the "Red-Dragons" should be german...I should send some emails about the post RE sourcing hummm...
__________________
Clemson Ph.D. & Mary Washington Alumnus

Need help with skimmers? Check out: The New FutureDoc Skimmer Thread!

Nano Jam! -I-I-I- My Re-Build -I-I-I- 40B Owner's Club -I-I-I- The Daily Water Change Experiment -I-I-I- My LED Build -I-I-I- Simple Guide to Beating Algae

Good Reads:
G's RME - Invic's Algae - Sudden Mass Death - LED Library
The one and only "super villain" sized signature.
Ya know you have a bunch of starving and dying hippy bacteria on your lawn! ~Invic
FutureDoc is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2014, 02:22 PM   #1520
crazynewmix
Plankton
 
crazynewmix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: San Diego
Posts: 45
Hick, I already have a riser in it. I think it is about 16" or so and it makes the whole skimmer 45" tall. I certainly have the room to add another if that will add more benefit. The current tube is 6" in diameter.

Doc, "effective" was used to describe skimmers ability to grab out more gunk, while "efficient" was its ability to grab the same amount of gunk as before but now at a lower energy usage. Its a fun limbo game when using words to describe something that has so many different components... salt water, electricity, air bubbles... haha

So, I fired it up about a week ago to get a feel for becketts. It was hooked up to my ~120g system that I know is under skimmed atm, so I was hoping this could have an easy time getting tuned while also cleaning my current system. Unfortunately there is a small leak on the outlet tube so time was somewhat cut short. I did get about a day and a half to play with it though and I was not having success. I do blame it on my lack of knowledge of becketts. I had the skimmer raised with the outlet tube going back into my sump, to try to eliminate back pressure, while I had a submersible pump feeding it. That panworld is a strong pump and it seemed when I opened up those air valves, about 1/4 a turn every 20-30 minutes, there seemed to be sooo much turbulence. The water line was just a rolling, tumbling mess of small and very large bubbles. I even did a few google searches on why large bubbles would get created. The large bubbles seemed to cause the most trouble because they would pop right at the top, causing all the other bubbles to also collide and pop.

This may be perfectly normal of course haha. While my new tank is cooking, I will be able to fine tune it much more but I couldn't find much information about fine tuning a beckett on the webs.
crazynewmix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2014, 05:11 PM   #1521
SpartaReef
CntntEdtr for Aquarist.Me
 
SpartaReef's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 2,284
Ok, sorry to do this, but this thread is just too large... I downsized to a 29g and went sumpless... Not a lot of room for things to hang down into the tank... What is the best option for a skimmer in this case?

My build thread: http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/f9...ml#post2387319
SpartaReef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2014, 09:50 PM   #1522
FutureDoc
Aquatic Philosopher
 
FutureDoc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Asheville NC
Posts: 14,665
Images: 904
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpartaReef View Post
Ok, sorry to do this, but this thread is just too large... I downsized to a 29g and went sumpless... Not a lot of room for things to hang down into the tank... What is the best option for a skimmer in this case?

My build thread: http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/f9...ml#post2387319
No skimmer or a Tunze 9004
__________________
Clemson Ph.D. & Mary Washington Alumnus

Need help with skimmers? Check out: The New FutureDoc Skimmer Thread!

Nano Jam! -I-I-I- My Re-Build -I-I-I- 40B Owner's Club -I-I-I- The Daily Water Change Experiment -I-I-I- My LED Build -I-I-I- Simple Guide to Beating Algae

Good Reads:
G's RME - Invic's Algae - Sudden Mass Death - LED Library
The one and only "super villain" sized signature.
Ya know you have a bunch of starving and dying hippy bacteria on your lawn! ~Invic
FutureDoc is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2014, 09:58 PM   #1523
SpartaReef
CntntEdtr for Aquarist.Me
 
SpartaReef's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 2,284
Thx doc
SpartaReef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2014, 11:17 AM   #1524
mark_d50
squid
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 9
thanks for a great thread
mark_d50 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2014, 01:05 PM   #1525
SpartaReef
CntntEdtr for Aquarist.Me
 
SpartaReef's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 2,284
Quote:
Originally Posted by FutureDoc View Post
No skimmer or a Tunze 9004
looks like none for now... I think I have an idea though that might work for using a sump... I'll need a pump to pump water out rather than using a siphon.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpartaReef View Post
Thx doc
SpartaReef is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2014, 05:58 PM   #1526
payrion
Little Fishy
 
payrion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: NW Indiana
Posts: 343
FutureDoc..what do you think of this sump saver skimmer...Im still deciding on a sump for my 60 gal tank, I have a hob reef octopus bh90 right now and all is well, I know as my tank grows I need something better...
I'm limited on sump size under my stand, I can only fit a 10 gal glass aquarium or a premade eshopps 12 gal sump . In the 10 gallon I would use this http://www.coralvue.com/reef-octopus...rotein-skimmer in the premade sump I can fit this.....http://www.coralvue.com/classic-150sss-protein-skimmer-397....
payrion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2014, 10:45 AM   #1527
FutureDoc
Aquatic Philosopher
 
FutureDoc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Asheville NC
Posts: 14,665
Images: 904
Sump savers are fine. You might get a hair less of the performance because the dwell time decreasea bit with the lost volume but they are fine. If it is something you have to do because of the sump you have, that is just the way it goes.

I personally like to have room for the skimmer so it is easier to work on without taking he whole thing out of the sump to access the pump. However, I do have the NWD-150 (regular) in my 10g sump. It is tight but possible.
__________________
Clemson Ph.D. & Mary Washington Alumnus

Need help with skimmers? Check out: The New FutureDoc Skimmer Thread!

Nano Jam! -I-I-I- My Re-Build -I-I-I- 40B Owner's Club -I-I-I- The Daily Water Change Experiment -I-I-I- My LED Build -I-I-I- Simple Guide to Beating Algae

Good Reads:
G's RME - Invic's Algae - Sudden Mass Death - LED Library
The one and only "super villain" sized signature.
Ya know you have a bunch of starving and dying hippy bacteria on your lawn! ~Invic
FutureDoc is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2014, 12:37 PM   #1528
payrion
Little Fishy
 
payrion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: NW Indiana
Posts: 343
It would be a bit cheaper if I went with the NWD 150, and squeezed it in a glass 10 gal...I did like the 16 in hight of the premade eshopps sump, but its 179.00....decisions....I actually think I would have to pull either to work on it under my stand....thanks for the reply!
payrion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2014, 02:11 PM   #1529
rininger85
Shark
 
rininger85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Charlotte, MI
Posts: 3,530
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpartaReef View Post
Ok, sorry to do this, but this thread is just too large... I downsized to a 29g and went sumpless... Not a lot of room for things to hang down into the tank... What is the best option for a skimmer in this case?

My build thread: http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/f9...ml#post2387319
I was kind of thinking in all of Doc's free time he should work on putting a table of contents together so one doesn't have to read through 400 pages of stuff to see if their question has already been answered =) similar to RKME! I'm good at volunteering other people to do work... lol
rininger85 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2014, 12:33 PM   #1530
bpham
Little Fishy
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 58
Hi FutureDoc (and everyone reading), I've been following your thread, thank you for doing this! Can you help me pick out a skimmer? I've never owned one and know very little about them.

I have a 75g tank with a 20g sump almost done cycling, with about 80g of water. Below's my livestock plan in the relative order I'd like to add them:
  • 2 x Ocellaris
  • 1 x Yellow Tang
  • 1 x Carpenter Flasher Wrasse
  • 3 x Cardinal fish or Firefish
  • 3-5 x Chromis or 2 x Anthias -- I may skip this if you think I'm way overstocked.
  • 1 x Flame Dwarf Angel

Tank's going to be mostly focused on fish, with some soft/LPS but never SPS. Here are some skimmers I've been looking at:
  • RO NWB150 [$225]- seems basic/reliable, but I think I should go for something good, not just basic
  • Vertex Omega 130 [$287]- good reviews and quality from what you have mentioned and other reviews. Darn I missed the BRS sale else this would be the easy choice.
  • RLSS 6i [$350] - seems great, quiet, not as popular, but good space savings?

Any recommendations or feedback on livestock and skimmer? Feel free to recommend other skimmers if you like them more. I have about 12" x 12" base with 28" Height space to work with... budget is $350, would prefer to spend about $300 if possible, but you can also tell me I'd need to spend $450 for that livestock list and I'll have to do some more soul-searching to find that money... hah
bpham is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
advice , futuredoc , pumps , questions , skimmers


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Another Protein Skimmer Thread, What one.... B00TCAMP General Reef Discussion 13 08-07-2012 01:34 PM
Another Skimmer Thread Calif-Reef General Reef Discussion 20 09-24-2009 10:41 AM
Another skimmer choice thread DevilBoy General Reef Discussion 18 02-23-2007 01:22 AM
Two topics one thread: (1) Skimmer I could borrow? (2) Running skimmer part time? capman TCMAS 19 10-15-2006 01:58 AM
Where did my skimmer thread go? crab0000 Atlanta Reef Club 11 07-29-2003 06:05 PM

Similar Issues
Issue Issue Starter Forum Replies Last Post
http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/f217/sicce-voyager-pumps-142540.html mynameisrodney Water movement (pumps & wavemakers) 2 2010-02-17 10:11:23
http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/f234/new-sicce-pump-146890.html firsthesitation La Crosse Area Reef Keepers (LARK) 10 2010-04-20 00:30:01
http://www.thereeftank.com/forums/f306/the-ultimate-sicce-skimmer-upgrade-140901.html Josh@PremiumAquatics Premium Aquatics 0 2009-12-31 10:29:28

Sitemap:1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226
Sponsor Our Community

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:11 PM.


Powered by
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Our lawyer tells us that, by pressing the "New Thread" or "New Reply" button, you acknowledge that the opinions and information expressed in your article are yours alone and not those of thereeftank.com, dba The Reef Tank. Further, you agree to indemnify The Reef Tank, its moderators, administrators and agents from any and all liability which may arise as a result of your article. (C)opyright 2006 TheReefTank.com