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Old 01-30-2012, 06:36 PM   #1
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10 Gallon Sump for 55 Gallon Tank?


Hey everyone! I am consideing putting a sump on my 55 gallon tank, but the pre-made ones are very expencive, so i wanted to make one myself. I found a cheap 10 gallon tank, only about 30 bucks, and didn't know where to go next.

I know i need to get glass or plexiglass sheets from somewhere. But could someone tell me first, is this 10 gallon tank big enough sump for my tank?

And after that, tell me every detail i need to know before i go out and buy all this stuff.

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Old 01-30-2012, 07:04 PM   #2
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Sump Rough Draft


Here is a rough draft of what i kinda want my sump to look like. do you think this will fit onto a 10 gallon tank? and answer the questions above too!
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Old 01-30-2012, 07:34 PM   #3
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Just forget about the "refugium" part of that diagram. Also, you want the skimmer to be the first thing the "dirty" water to see.

here... and baffles do not works as well in small tanks... not that they do not work, rather because they take up a lot of space that is needed elsewhere. I have not placed baffles in any 10g sump... I think 1 baffle is more than plenty at most. Just keep the flow calm in the sump and you should be fine.

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Old 01-30-2012, 07:48 PM   #4
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why forget the refugium? i heard they are good?
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Old 01-30-2012, 09:03 PM   #5
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Just go off reading some of Geoff's posts about the subject. The "benefit" of the refugium/live sump has been greatly over-exaggerated online. It make sense for a lot of folks but it does not make sense biologically speaking. Algae can harm a tank.

Refugiums work only when they are large (IMO). And I mean BIG. Otherwise, in a 10g sump, you need every square inch to go to the skimmer. Refugiums only hold-onto nutrients (you have to remove the algae to remove the nutrients), skimmers actually export them out of the tank. Considering the return pump will need 6 inches, a good skimmer will likely need 7-12 inches, you have at most 2-4 inches (of length) at most not including the bubble traps. Any space taken away from the skimmer will be taking away from the tank to export nutrients. Skimmers are about two things, pump capacity and volume. You want as much volume as you can.

Here was my 10g sump with skimmer. It is unbaffled... a straight 10g for $9
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Old 01-31-2012, 03:11 PM   #6
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revised sump?


see, it is a good design. but it is way to croweded. i want to put alot of stuff in it, but look neat at the same time
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Better, but you are really going to want a longer sump than a 10g to do that. 20L make good sumps but 55g tanks are often tough to fit sumps under.
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do as Doc Says, forget the fuge...

this is my sump on my 55g but my stand is huge...


this was my 10g sump, oh things were bad until I got rid of that fuge!
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so really only need protein skimmer. is there anything else i should put in?
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this is mine running....


just a skimmer, heaters, and return pump...

Les IS more, the less stuff you have the less there is to go wrong, and trust me, things DO go wrong and the more stuff you have to check the longer it will be for the problem to be found IMO.

keep it simple and easy to clean

have you ever had a pet before? if so what pet was it?
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great looking sump, do you make house calls?
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Old 02-02-2012, 07:43 AM   #13
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okay. could someone tell my how i should set it up? do i need a bubble trap? and how do i make sure it doesnt over flow and all that good stuff?
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You only need a bubble trap if you are forcing a lot of water through a sump at a time. So if you are using a massive return pump... about 1000gph or more then maybe. Otherwise, good planning with the outflow and return pump placement can keep bubbles from the return. Ideally, you want about 4-6X system turnover per hour as the maximum flow rate through a sump. So we are talking 240-360gph for your system.

The other thing you need to remember is the backflow. The backflow is the water that flows from the display back into the sump when the power goes out or the return is turned off. A 10g sump only really have about 5g of sump volume... and thus about 5g of backflow. Be very careful about any siphoning that could happen and you want to make sure the that the backflow does not exceed 5g (which is not a lot). I personally have a 20L as my sump now because I have about 8g of backflow... and that is on a custom cut 40B.
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sweet. what should i use for the water to go out and in, in the actual DT
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