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Old 10-16-2008, 08:11 AM   #1
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Any of you beer brewing guys ever make hard cider?


I don't know where to start, or what equipment i would need. i have my 5 gallon pail setups for beer, but not sure if i can use those or if i need wine kits. i'm thinking of upgrading to glass carbouys (thats if i'm even remembering the language right its been so long!). I found my password to the Northern Brewer forum, but i don't know what to ask for questions without sounding like a total dummy... their search feature isn't very helpful either...

i don't have to inject co2 to carb it do i? it carbs itself in bottles right? glass or plastic bottles ok?

i have a local place that sells a fine sweet cider that is not pasteurized, about $5 a gallon.... i want to try using theirs....

suggestions anyone?

thanks!

i need to make more stout too... no suds till a while after the new baby is born, but i can still brew!
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Old 10-16-2008, 08:47 AM   #2
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One of my friends does it.All I know is that he likes it and it takes months to do.Never had any of his but plenty of his beer.
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i guess it can take as long as 2 years or so from first yeast to aged goodness, so i better get started!
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Weeeeeee! I found a super simple recipe!



Apfelwein - Fermenting

Award Winning Apfelwein Recipe (German Hard Cider) Apple Wine Recipe
Placed 1st in the Cider & Apple Wine category at the BJCP sanctioned Alamo Cerveza fest (out of 11 entries) and took 2nd place for Best of Show for the main category of Meads & Ciders (out of 50 entries).

Ingredients

5 Gallons 100% Apple Juice (No preservatives or additives) I use Tree Top Apple Juice
2 pounds of dextrose (corn sugar) in one pound bags
1 five gram packet of Montrachet Wine Yeast

Equipment

5 Gallon Carboy (I use a Better Bottle)
Carboy Cap or Stopper with Airlock
Funnel
  1. First sanitize the carboy, airlock, funnel, stopper or carboy cap.
  2. Open one gallon bottle of apple juice and pour half of it into the carboy using the funnel.
  3. Open one bag of Dextrose and carefully add it to the now half full bottle of apple juice. Shake well.
  4. Repeat Steps 2 and 3, then go to step 5.
  5. Pour in the mixture of Apple Juice and Dextrose from both bottles into the carboy.
  6. Add all but 1 quart of remaining 3 gallons of apple juice to the carboy.
  7. Open the packet of Montrachet Yeast and pour it into the neck of the funnel.
  8. Use the remaining quart of juice to wash down any yeast that sticks. I am able to fit all but 3 ounces of apple juice into a 5 gallon Better Bottle. You may need to be patient to let the foam die down from all shaking and pouring.
  9. Put your stopper or carboy cap on with an airlock and fill the airlock with cheap vodka. No bacteria will live in vodka and if you get suckback, you just boosted the abv.
There’s no need to worry about filling up a carboy so full when you use Montrachet wine yeast. There is no Kreuzen, just a thin layer of bubbles (). I'm able to fit all but 4 oz. of my five gallons in the bottle. Ferment at room temperature.

It will become cloudy in a couple of days and remain so for a few weeks. In the 4th week, the yeast will begin to drop out and it will become clear. After at least 4 weeks, you can keg or bottle, but it is ok to leave it in the carboy for another month or so. Racking to a secondary is not necessary. It ferments out very dry (less than 0.999, see here)

If you want to bottle and carbonate, ¾ cup of corn sugar will work fine. Use as you would carbonate a batch of beer.

Remember to reserve judgment till after 3 glasses. It grows on you.

DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND START ANOTHER BATCH 2 WEEKS AFTER YOU START THIS ONE.
YOU WILL THANK ME LATER!



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compiled by Dammed Squirrels from the first 37 pages of this thread. Thanks DS!

How does it taste?
It ferments quite dry. Some people have tried different yeasts in order to achieve a sweeter taste. It may take you a few glasses to get a feel for the flavor. It is very reminiscent of a sort of apfelwein produced locally in Germany. There really is no comparable product in the United States. It's drier and less sweet than commercial hard ciders. It gets better with age and at 6+ months, the apple flavor really comes out.

How do you sweeten it?
Many folks back sweeten it with Wine Conditioner. Wine Conditioner is a blend of sucrose and sorbic acid. The addition of 2-4 oz. per gallon adds sweetness and prevents renewed fermentation. It can be purchased as any LHBS that caters to wine makers. Others will use Splenda or lactose (other non-fermentable sugars). Germans who prefer it sweet (or Suß as they say) will add a splash of Sprite or 7up to a glass. This is the easiest method as you don't have to make a whole "sweet" batch that way.

What is the difference between Apfelwein and hard cider?
EdWort says, “Most ciders are a bit sweeter. Ciders and Apfelwein are about 6% abv, but I like the little boost I give it with 2 pounds of Dextrose. It adds no body or flavor and still tastes like Possmann's Apfelwein, only it will kick your butt much quicker.”

Is this like Apfelmost / Apfel Korn?

No. Apfel Korn is a german liqeur made from wheat spirits. Apfelmost is spontaneously fermented with fresh-pressed apples or apple juice. It is probably similar, but the results may vary as a result of the spontaneous fermentation. Either way, Apfelmost is most certainly has a lower alcohol content since the initial gravity is not increased by the use of concentrate or corn sugar.

What’s the difference between apple juice and cider?

Cider is made by pressing apples. Juice is then filtered to remove all of the stuff that makes it cloudy.

Can I use apple cider instead?

Sure! You can use whatever you want. However, there is not enough information in this thread to give you any better details as to how it will turn out. I recommend starting a new thread or ask more experienced cider-makers.

What kind of Apple Juice should I use?

Ideally, you want to use 100% natural apple juice with no preservatives. The only acceptable preservative is ascorbic acid, which is a source of vitamin C and does not affect fermentation. Pasteurized juice is preferred, since it will have less bacteria.

How much will this recipe cost me?
5 gallons of Apfelwein can be made for between 20 and 25 dollars.

What else can you do with this recipe?
EdWort says, "this makes a great Grog in the winter time. Take a quart in a sauce pan, add some rum, turbinado sugar, and float a cinnamon stick in it and simmer for a while. Serve hot in mugs. It'll warm you right up."


GENERAL WARNINGS

Excessive consumption of Apfelwein WILL get you drunk at warp speed.



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Old 10-16-2008, 10:58 AM   #5
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oh, here's the source link
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f25/man-...felwein-14860/
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got 5 gallons of juice in a carboy getting ready to bubble its way to hard cider/ apple wine goodness!
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Old 10-16-2008, 11:41 PM   #9
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I guess a good start would be knowing what a carboy is.
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I've never brewed beer or hard cider, but if anyone needs an official taste tester, I'll make the sacrifice and be a volunteer
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Old 10-18-2008, 12:08 PM   #11
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I guess a good start would be knowing what a carboy is.
carboys are the glass bottles that are great for brewing. usually i use the special brewing buckets that are basically 5 and 6 gallon plastic pails, but they can retain flavors and can be hard to clean, plus they can flex if moved and suck the airlock back. this is the first time i have tried the glass carboys and i like being able to see whats going on inside.
the drawback to glass is that its heavy and breakable (just like tanks), there is something else called a Better Bottle that is heavy plastic, but i have to mail order those and have not gotten to that point yet. i have enough brewing vessels to have 4 batches going at a time so if i buy more i should ditch the buckets first.

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I've never brewed beer or hard cider, but if anyone needs an official taste tester, I'll make the sacrifice and be a volunteer
if i ever get the chance to make one of the big pig roasts or other SW hobbyist gatherings, i'd be willing to bring plenty of samples!
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I had a great idea once.... I was going to make 3 gallons of beer and use the co2 to inject my FW planted tank. The tank looked better but that was the nastiest beer I ever drank. It was flat b/c I let it tun too long and it tasted like my planted tank smells
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oh, yuk..lol

i admit that i look at the bubbling airlock and really wish i could do something with all that lovely c02... i'd put my brew buckets near the houseplants, but they are all near sunny windows... not a good thing for beer
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HMMMMmmm...


I am all about that. I am trying to get RickO to make it to this year' pig roast (there can be only one) and challenge him to brew off onb really dark beer...

The Cider would be a nice complement.



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carboys are the glass bottles that are great for brewing. usually i use the special brewing buckets that are basically 5 and 6 gallon plastic pails, but they can retain flavors and can be hard to clean, plus they can flex if moved and suck the airlock back. this is the first time i have tried the glass carboys and i like being able to see whats going on inside.
the drawback to glass is that its heavy and breakable (just like tanks), there is something else called a Better Bottle that is heavy plastic, but i have to mail order those and have not gotten to that point yet. i have enough brewing vessels to have 4 batches going at a time so if i buy more i should ditch the buckets first.

('scuse the mess, that corner catches everything!)





if i ever get the chance to make one of the big pig roasts or other SW hobbyist gatherings, i'd be willing to bring plenty of samples!
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Yum I love hard cider, Woodchucks good.... But might I add Icebear that looks mighty tasty.
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