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Old 09-02-2007, 04:17 PM   #1
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SPS care..


So I had a few SPS frags about 6 months ago... acropora/montipora frags. They all got RTN after a month or so... except for one montipora cap..which is still growing ( slowly but surely ).

Not really sure what caused it at this point... but was thinking of trying a couple more frags and see how they do.

Questions:

1. Do you guys acclimate your SPS?
2. What supplements do you guys use for your SPS?


Thanks for any info.
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Old 09-02-2007, 04:51 PM   #2
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I would also like to know.

I picked up an acro and monti frag about 2 weeks ago. The acro is doing well but the monti has started getting white tips which from what I've read suggest RTN. But curious of other causes. But I would really be interested in the info for czielers questions.



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Old 09-02-2007, 05:09 PM   #3
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I soak sps in Interceptor for 6 hours. Then I treat with Tropicmarin coral cure.

Carol, what are your tank parameters? Calcium? Alkalinity? Magnesium?
How much flow do you have in the tank?



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Old 09-02-2007, 05:23 PM   #4
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teach, do you guys quarantine at all?



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Old 09-02-2007, 05:28 PM   #5
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Yes, we quarantine before adding to the main tanks.
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Old 09-02-2007, 09:47 PM   #6
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If the monti you got is a digita, the white tips could also be growth.
Which is a good thing If possible post a picture than I'm sure more people on the board would be able to help.


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I would also like to know.

I picked up an acro and monti frag about 2 weeks ago. The acro is doing well but the monti has started getting white tips which from what I've read suggest RTN. But curious of other causes. But I would really be interested in the info for czielers questions.



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Old 09-02-2007, 10:16 PM   #7
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Dumb question...what's RTN?



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Old 09-02-2007, 10:29 PM   #8
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Cela Vie no question is a dumb question

RTN rapid tissue necrosis
STN slow tissue necrosis
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Old 09-02-2007, 10:30 PM   #9
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Rapid Tissue Necrosis
RTN
One of these "unknown causative organism diseases or occurrences".
Most Coral related disease and "occurrences" are caused from environmental or stress-related issues and have no known causative organism. And some that seem to have a causative organisms, have causative organism that are not typical of the reef or even marine systems. RTN is a disease that has no known causative organism that consists of a rapidly moving white band that seems to start from the base or center of a colony and moves outward destroying the Colony's tissue as it advances. RTN can consume the Colonies tissue as a rate of an inch or more an hour. The amazing fact is that the colony remains oblivious to it's destruction.
a) in front of the band the coral remains healthy with polyps fully extended.
b) at the band the tissue detaches and dissolves.
c) behind the band the Coral's "bleached" white skeleton is all that is left.
RTN occurs most often in members of the families:
Pocilloporidae (Pocillopora, Seriatopora, Stylophora, Madracis) and Acroporidae (Acropora, Anacropora, Montipora, etc.).
CAUSES OF RTN
At the present time, there is no known "cause" to RTN, rather a group of possible causes. As far as Bacteria, which are endemic to the marine environment, Vibrio sp have been implicated in a very few cases. Yet no one has demonstrated that Vibrio is the causative factor on the whole, rather an opportunistic feeder. As Eric Borneman has stated, the fact that RTN starts and progresses from the base of the Coral cast doubt on bacteria within the water column (Eric Borneman), for it would seem that the disease would attack the Colony from other areas rather than only at it's base.
It has also been widely circulated throughout the marine reef hobby community that aquaculture specimens have less RTN occurrences than wild harvested specimens. That may be due to the fact that aquaculture frags and colonies are well acclimated to the environment of a Home Reef Eco-System. On the other hand, traumatic harvesting, transport, overseas shipping procedure and multiple, changing holding systems of wild specimens gives rise to the delivery of an extremely stressed animal. Yet many seasoned reefers have experienced both Wild Harvested and Aquaculture specimens living large and healthy for years with no sign of problems and then BANG! RTN!
It is without doubt that RTN is born to an issue of System Parameter Stress such as Rapid Temperature rise and fall, Prolonged High Temperatures, Poor Circulation, Low calcium and/or Alkalinity Values and other "Coral Shockers" such secondary metabolites. RTN can also be born by the simple introduction of a specimen to a system. These facts point to the weakening of the Coral and then an opportunistic bacteria infection leading to RTN... yet many have tried an application of an strong antibiotic without success excepting rare occurrences.
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slant77 NICE response that should help alot of people
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Old 09-02-2007, 11:07 PM   #12
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My calcium stays between 400-430 ... I don't have a magnesium test kit... guess I need to buy one.... will test my pH in the morning... assuming it's ok because all of my LPS and my anemones look good...but I probably shouldn't assume things like that.

Flow - Quiet One 800 gph for my overflows, seio power head in the middle of the tank ( can't remember how strong it is, got it from PelagicMagic last January ... ) ... and a Maxijet 1200 on the left hand side.
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Old 09-03-2007, 12:52 PM   #13
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It may be time to add more flow to your tank Carol. What you have is fine for soft corals and LPS, but more is usually recommended for SPS.



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Old 09-03-2007, 03:09 PM   #14
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Is there a way to add more flow w/out so many ugly power heads? The seio I have in there is a big eye sore... I guess if I upgraded the return pump? Or what do people usually do other than adding more powerheads?
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Old 09-03-2007, 03:23 PM   #15
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