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Old 10-08-2009, 04:46 PM   #16
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Old 10-08-2009, 11:07 PM   #17
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thanks jenglish- I just have some specific newbie questions offtopic of the gorgonian... so i'll ask about feeding in this response to tdwyatt

I do have a big crazy kit this guy gave me. The ammonia test is these yellow discs I rinse off, put in one pipet of water and a drop of ammonia reagent. I waited a half hour and it was still yellow with just hints of green in some spots... but that would indicate .015 at best and .2 at worst. I checked this on normal tap water and got the same result (didn't have time to get saltwater together). So either his test kit is bad because i get these results constantly, or the test at the store was messed up because they said .75ish. I'll purchase a new test kit as suggested and see what results I get then.

Everything looks phenomenal, healthy, polyps all out, frogspawn huge and vibrant, gorgonian has all polyps out almost all the time in the day and evening, brains look good, ricordia all happy and vibrant... and my candy cane coral is finally all coming out ... the only thing that doesn't look good is the bit of brown algae growing on some parts of the rock- this I have heard could be diatoms and are somewhat normal for this period (one month after the tank was broken down and moved).

One thing I think I may have done- and please advise on this- is the sand in this tank is very shallow- about 1" and less in some spots. Only 1/3 of the total sand is in a siftable area- the rest is under large rock, so I have sifted it pretty throughly in my weekly water changes. Cold this lead to higher ammonia? How much f the green nastiness do I want to suck out of the sand when I do these frequent water changes vs down the road when I have to do them less often?

Ok, I think the iodine thing may definitely be a mistake I have made. I will stop using it altogether. Is there a time when I will need to consider using it again and in what amount? Half capful a month? Or nothing at all?

As for the food, the food was what the previous owner used exclusively for a year. And I don't know how much he fed it when he was more devoted (he owned tanks for 8 years but they gave up the hobby because of cost, reef damage, and so they can travel more) to the tank, but he said he was feeding a half frozen cube per WEEK. But said I cold do every other day. The people at the pet store said feed every day... so I started to feed a little more. I fed a half cube every day recently, then they gave me the omega small pellets and I fed one day some pellets, the next half cube of food. And even more recently (the days preceeding this ammonia test) I was feeding the brains and ricordia themselves with a few pellets for the brains and 1 for each of the 4 ricordias... plus some a few pellets each for the clowns and then the shrimp cleaned house on any leftovers.

SO With that being said, should I cut way back on feeding and instead focus on the liquid foods he gave me. They are:
Kent Microvert
Kent Coralvite
and the tech 1 which is iodine which i am stopping

The coralvite says 1 to 2 teaspoons per 50 gallons every week depending on animal load. So I assume 3/4 teaspoon a week or so for my 28?

The Microvert says 1-3 drops per gallon up to 3 times per week. 1 drop is 1/2 teaspoon in a 55 gallon aquarium. So I would assume about 1/4 teaspoon twice a week?

Then the frozen food? Wold you suggest I try another type? I have 2 clowns and the rest are all the brains and things (and I dont know enough about what I have to be specific on my total tank load. I can supply a full list but dont know if I need to go into that much detail for you to know.

Ok... that's a lot to answer... I dont mean to ask so many questions but I want to get this right (mostly so I dont have to continue to worry about it! ). I want this tank to succeed. Thanks for your attention to my questions.

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Old 10-08-2009, 11:28 PM   #18
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thanks cutietwo

I just wanted to post a pic of how good the gorgonian looks... and figured i'll show the candy canes (because they have all popped out now and look great and healthy)... and a shot of the whole tank and how it looks right now so you can see how much stuff I have in there if that helps you figure out a good feeding schedule to follow. Oh and I have a big serpent star in here too... i dont know if I need to target feed him with scallops from time to time or if I just let him feed on the other stuff). Anyway, the pics dont show how gin clear the water is... I just hope the ammonia reading was wrong or temporary...

Thanks again everyone. This will really help me get things humming along in here. I want to get some little fish eventually (possibilities- flame angel, 6 lined wrasse, maybe a mandarin or a bunny...)
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Old 10-08-2009, 11:56 PM   #19
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I only rarely feed my LPS and most of the time they live off of light and fish poop I really am not that knowledgable on coral foods. For my clownfish I feed mysis, bloodworms, daphnia, brine shrimp, krill and various fresh seafood. Generally when I make shrimp, fish, or scallops for myself I take a pinch raw for the fish

your sand will be fine and should not contribute to your ammonia issues, but do try to vacuum it regularly and keep it clean.

To be honest, I am distrusting of powdered or tablet reagents. Liquid reagents for testing are generally more trustworthy. What brand is it?
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Old 10-10-2009, 12:12 AM   #20
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ok, I ordered some salifert ammonia and nitrite test. Wont get here for a little while potentially but will do the 30% water change tomorrow and feed lite. I think the guy uses food with phytoplantkon because some of my corals eat that (i read in a book last night). So... I'll be going easy on the food, no more iodine at all i guess... and light on the coral foods.
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Old 10-13-2009, 09:42 PM   #21
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Stop the liquid foods for now, cutting back to what the PO was using as far as the other solid foods is ok, More later, gotta get to these posts tomorrow!
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Old 10-14-2009, 02:21 PM   #22
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i just got my salifert ammonia test kit in the mail.. ran the test- looks beautiful! 0 ammonia :-D Either whatever it was resolved itself or the test at the store was bad... Anyway, I'll keep monitoring it for now but- woohoo!
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Old 10-15-2009, 10:52 PM   #23
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Congrats on success. Not that there are not any good LFS out here, but you're better off confirming results that require drastic changes rather than having a knee-jerk response to bad tidings from a test result, especially if the critters all look good...

Treat the patient, not the symptoms.
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Old 10-15-2009, 11:03 PM   #24
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so... problem again The gorgonian has a slight amount of brown algae on it again. What the heck? I have some in the tank, but it isnt bad- it isnt growing all over the place but it does cover my powerheads and such enough that I want to clean every few days to get the brown off... My gorgonian is in a large amount of current- it is constantly leaning away from the current and waving a bit... argh... this is so frustrating. There wasnt a bit at all yesterday as far as I noticed... It is just starting to attach to it again. What is my best course of action?

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Old 10-19-2009, 11:26 PM   #25
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I am having a really hard time with this gorgonian. I haven't seen its polyps in two days. It had a little brown algae but not much- my crabs have been on it but i just looked over and this was nuts- almost all my crabs were feasting on it. What is going on A few days ago i was noticing how it was growing a new branch.

ph- 8.1 or so

alkalinity- .24 dropped to .22 in a week (my protein skimmer is terrible and i have a new one on order- it leaks and i think that is shedding salt)

ammonia- 0 to maybe a tiny bit, nothing on the test kit

Nitrite- nothing

Had an emerald crab die on me within the past couple of days... my starfish and crabs ate the whole thing- no ammonia spike but he did go missing about 3 days ago

Feeding 1/2 cube frozen coral food every other day and a few pellets of food avery 4 or so days mixed in

Gorgonian is over a year old supposedly- has been looking great until it closed up and i posted that previous post about seeing algae start on it again. And btw, there is not much algae in my tank- a little brown stuff but not much

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What else can I check/do?
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Old 10-20-2009, 08:17 PM   #26
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Do you target feed the gorgonian? DOes it respond well? I would continue to try to clear the slime as it appears and run carbon. Make sure to test for nitrate, which is the form of nitrogen most likely to accumulate in your system. THere are bacteria that rapidly accumulate to make ammonia to nitrite and make nitrite in nitrate but without certain conditions it will remain nitrate and accumulate in your system.
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Old 10-20-2009, 10:11 PM   #27
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hi- thanks for the response and input. I just ran a nitrate test and i have 0 nitrate. So my phosphorous, nitrate, nitrite, ph, salinity and ammonia all check out. I have had carbon in my filter for the past 3 days and I added some phosphate sponge today just in case.

I do not target feed the gorgonian but i do use the same food the previous owner used which is a brine mix with phytoplankton i believe. it is labelled 'coral' food... the frozen stuff. The gorgonian did seem to also like it when i used the turkey baster to clean out the back of the aquarium. Through all the previous problems it has always had its polyps out in full daily. I haven't seen one in 3 days... and it is all cleaned up thanks to the crabs. I am just at a loss... I really hope it will pull through but i dont know what else i can do...
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Well, it looks like you are not having nutrient problems since you are reading 0 and not having algae. The suggestion on target feeding was just so you could feed less to reduce the nutrients going into the tank.
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Old 10-20-2009, 11:30 PM   #29
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Is the lighting enough for it?..that's the only thing I can think of. Or maybe photo shock if the lights don't gradually come on...
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Is the lighting enough for it?..that's the only thing I can think of. Or maybe photo shock if the lights don't gradually come on...
I was thinking that since it has been in the setup for awhile that this should not be an issue.... but it does make me question how old the bulbs are

Keep removing the algae if it builds up, look at if it is time to replace bulbs and consider a bit more flow.

Also I wonder if there is anything that could sting it? Gorgonions are generally the loser in a battle with a LPS
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