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Old 02-02-2009, 06:30 PM   #1
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ICH......I think? Fish are dead.


I have a 75 gal beginner reef system with 80 lbs. of live rock 260w pc lighting and 3" sand bed, assorted mushrooms and button polyps, 1 cleaner shrimp and a coral banded shrimp, several blue legged hermits and 1000's of baby snails. I did have a percula clown and a firefish.

About 1 month ago I bought a Kole Tang from petco and within a week it developed white spot all over his body. I figured it was ich so I bought a cleaner shrimp to help get the parsites off his body which worked very well. The spots kept coming back during the week and I went to try to find some reef safe meds for him. I couldnt find any stores that had it in stock so I decided on hyposalinity treatment. I put the Tang in a 5 gallon bucket with 1.010 salinity. He started to improve about 3 days later I found him laying on the floor in my bathroom dead. Anyway the clown soon developed white spots. I still couldnt find any meds. 3 last wed. the 28th I finally found meds and began treatment with Kordon's Ich Attack right away. I clown started to get worse and worse day by day until I woke up this morning and he was swimming very distressed, upside down and stuff. I know he was going to die soon. About an hour later he was dead. I havent seen the firefish for 2 days so I figure he is dead in there somewhere in the rocks.

My question is how long will it take for all of the parasite to die off in the tank before it is safe to put new fish in the tank? And why did the clown get worse after I started treatment?

Kordon's Ich Attack did not hurt anything in the tank that I can tell for anyone who was wondering. REEF SAFE? I guess so.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
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Old 02-02-2009, 06:46 PM   #2
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6 weeks is the standard length recomended for fallow periods. crypto (the pathogen causing marine ich) has lasted as long as 72 days but that was at very low temp. set your temp to about 80 degrees F and you should be safe at 6 weeks.

the short answer to why the tang died is that hyposalinity or copper treatments are both treatments that are stressful. Moving the tang to such a drastically different salinity was just too much stress, if it wasn't the small size of the bucket for a very active species.

ick attack is supposed to be reefsafe but likely didn't do anything either. Read up on quarantine procedures, the ich lifecycles and ich treatment while you wait for the ich in your tank to die w/o a host
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Old 02-02-2009, 06:47 PM   #3
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It takes a maximum of 60 days for the ich to die off for sure most just wait 2 weeks I just went through it . I got a UV and its all gone now highly recommend a UV
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Old 02-02-2009, 07:00 PM   #4
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It takes a maximum of 60 days for the ich to die off for sure most just wait 2 weeks I just went through it . I got a UV and its all gone now highly recommend a UV
A standard UV filter will not dose enough radiation to sterilize free swimming ich and even if it did it would treat a relatively small quatity of the total volume and never get a complete kill. It may reduce the severity of outbreaks but will not cure ich.

While we are on the subject the cleaner shrimp the OP put in very likely did not help either.

If you want to read a hyposalinty thread look up Mr. Peanut's 6 fishless weeks start now. I believe thats the one its in.
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Old 02-02-2009, 08:59 PM   #5
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My question is how long will it take for all of the parasite to die off in the tank before it is safe to put new fish in the tank? And why did the clown get worse after I started treatment?

Kordon's Ich Attack did not hurt anything in the tank that I can tell for anyone who was wondering. REEF SAFE? I guess so.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

The clown got worse because the ich multiplied numerous times, and the clown was just overwhelmed by the it. The parasites just multiplies at an incredible rate. 1 pregnant parasite and reproduce somewhere around 200 more.

You should leave your tank without fish for atleast 60 days. It is reported that ich can run it's lifecycle in as little as 7 days usually within 24 days but can go as long as 72 days but as jenglish stated, that would be at an extremely low temp. @ 50f.

I would go 60 days.

Just make sure that you locate that firefish. Dead or alive.

I am in week 5 of my treatment. Good Luck.
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Old 02-03-2009, 12:27 AM   #6
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Should I continue with the Ich Attack even tho the fish are gone? Will it help kill the ich faster or should I just let it sit for the 60 days?
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Old 02-03-2009, 07:00 AM   #7
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Should I continue with the Ich Attack even tho the fish are gone? Will it help kill the ich faster or should I just let it sit for the 60 days?
I wouldn't, (IMO that product is worthless), you'll just be adding biomatter to your tank that you'll need to remove later.
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Leave the tank fish free for a good 6 weeks or longer. This will not be a guarantee that you won't get ich again. lots will depend on how you introduce you new fish down the road. If you go out and buy a few new fish and put them in the tank with QT'ing them you will be taking a chance once again.
QT is about the only way to prevent it.
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Old 02-03-2009, 10:34 AM   #9
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I wouldn't, (IMO that product is worthless), you'll just be adding biomatter to your tank that you'll need to remove later.
I agree.
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Old 02-03-2009, 03:34 PM   #10
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Just make sure that you locate that firefish. Dead or alive.

I am in week 5 of my treatment. Good Luck.
Well I took the opportunity to to rearrange my rock while looking for the firefish. I couldnt find it, I looked everywhere there was no rock unmoved. So I can only assume that he is dead and eaten by my blue legged hermits (at least I hope he isnt rotting somewhere int he tank). I would think I would have at least found som remains.

Here are some before and after pics of the set up
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I made a a couple of caves and spaced the rock a little more loosely to allow more flow to make it thru the rocks. The rock goes a bit higher up in the tank now too.
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Old 02-17-2009, 02:29 PM   #11
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Some new updates..... I got rid of the Condy it decided it wanted to move around alot and I didnt want to risk it stinging some new corals I got. I got a small Xenia, 3 green/orange Zoa frags, and a Brown mushroom of somekind all for $20 on craigslist. Then I went to a LFS and got a GSP frag for $10. They are all doing well. Last night I went to Petco to get Salt and I saw 2 Black Ocellaris Clowns and asked how much, the lady didnt know much and saw the Maroon clown tag and said "14.99" so I couldnt help it, what a deal right? So I bought both of them. I put a half dose the Ich Attack in the tank after they were aclimated just to be safe. They look really healthy but it has only been 16 days since the last fish died. So I will hope for the best.
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My guess would be you just started the whole process over again. You can hope on the slim chances that the crypto has died off in the short time without a host. There have been cases of ich dying off this quick but that is the far tail of a bell curve
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My guess would be you just started the whole process over again. You can hope on the slim chances that the crypto has died off in the short time without a host. There have been cases of ich dying off this quick but that is the far tail of a bell curve
Well I hope your wrong... It would probably be best to continue the Ich Attack then right? I have confindence in these fish they apear very healthy so hopefully they can fight it off if it comes at them.
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Well fed clowns in a very clean system should be able to fight infection better than most fish. Keep your levels steady and you will probably be ok, but now you just made the wait time even longer before you can add additional fish.

The clowns will likely foster a low level of infection for some time, any fish you add will be exposed until the clowns are 100% clean, which may or may not happen any time soon.
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Well fed clowns in a very clean system should be able to fight infection better than most fish. Keep your levels steady and you will probably be ok, but now you just made the wait time even longer before you can add additional fish.

The clowns will likely foster a low level of infection for some time, any fish you add will be exposed until the clowns are 100% clean, which may or may not happen any time soon.
It's not 100% that the fish can ever make it to being ich free w/o treatment. There have been cases where w/o a new strain of ich being introduce a strain will wear itself out. But to test this you basically need to not introduce a new strain or a new host for the old strain. So this means you would have to wait 11 months without adding a fish. But if you are not quarantining, it doesn't matter how long you are waiting.
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