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Old 12-13-2006, 10:57 AM   #1
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90 Gallon Fish Only


What Fish would you recommend for a fish only system. I am in the process of ordering a refugium it will have a built in skimmer and compact flourescent lighting. But I need suggestions for fish.
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Old 12-13-2006, 11:36 AM   #2
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Welcome to TRT Bob!
Do you want a peaceful tank or agressive? any particular fish you've seen you just have to have? Will you eventually upgrade to a reef?
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Old 12-13-2006, 11:38 AM   #3
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Most likely peaceful. No reef out of my price range.
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Old 12-13-2006, 11:44 AM   #4
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If you want a lot of small fish then Royal Grammas, Midas or bi-color blennies, most any goby or blenny for that matter, Chromis, Dwarf angels (flames are my favorite). Fairy or Flasher wrasses are cool.

If you want a few larger fish Niger or Pink tail triggers, smaller Tangs (zebrasoma).

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Old 12-13-2006, 08:58 PM   #5
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what kind of skimmer will be built in? this skimmer will prolly be your limiting factor on the tank.

i would not put any sand in your refugium, that is if you must have a refugium. just put some Chaeto algae in it, nothing else. it makes it easier to clean on a regular basis.

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Old 12-13-2006, 09:46 PM   #6
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i would not put any sand in your refugium, that is if you must have a refugium. just put some Chaeto algae in it, nothing else. it makes it easier to clean on a regular basis.
What do you mean by if you must have a refugium. I thought that they are a good thing. I am quite new at this and set up a sump/refugium about 3 weeks ago...should I not use the refugium and just have more sump area?

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Old 12-13-2006, 10:16 PM   #7
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ok, my disclaimer before i go further. I HATE REFUGIUMS!!

they do not do anything that people think that they do. they are a warm a fuzzy feeling item that people like to add. they are nothing more than another place to do more maintenance on. i feel any open area in a sump should just stay open. it allows all of the detritus to settle out in a nice open area that is easy to siphon. putting stuff in there just hides the detritus allowing it to rot away and raise phosphate levels in the tank. hence the reason why algae grows there. if you were to siphon out this stuff before it rots, than you would not have any algae at all anywhere in the system. is that not what we are looking to accomplish.

one of those things people will go out of there way to save 5min of work which will save them 12 hours of hardship and a crashed tank 3 years down the road.

as of now the ONLY maintenance i do on my tank is a 10g water change a week. that is all. it takes me 10min to do, this includes a thorough siphoning of my sump. the sump is the only place i have to siphon. the display has enough flow in it to keep the detritus in suspension or settled in the sump ready for the next water change.

the rest of the time i am able to do all of the stuff i enjoy about SW aquariums. the fragging of corals the placement of fraged corals and the sitting and watching of the tank.

eventually all sand beds get full of phosphates and will need to be removed. just the nature of what it does. at some point the refugium will need to be drained and shop vacced out of all substrate in there and started over. i would just rather skip that step.

ok, back to your regularly scheduled non-soapboxed episode of TRT.

i just realized that both of you are new members. there is more than one way to run a reef tank. i prefer the small every week maintenance version over the very large every three year overhaul version. i have done both over the past 15+ years on this hobby. if you do not plan on keeping this tank setup for more than 2 years, for whatever reason, moving, going to a bigger tank, whatever. than by all means go with a sand bed in both the display and in any other body of attached water. sand beds are a VERY forgiving system. hence the reason everyone tries to push them, but they do have thier drawbacks and they pretty quick after about year 2-3. at this point most people have learned what they did wrong and are looking to upgrade, or will redo the entire tank anyway.

ok, i lied, i promise i am stepping off of the soapbox now.

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Geoff just to play devils advocate Wouldn 't sand be ok for a 1st reef? it is more forgiving and to me it's easier to learn how to manage the tank in the beginning. Since we all upgrade eventually maybe no sand in the next tank
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Old 12-14-2006, 11:09 AM   #9
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that was the second paragraph of rambling. a sand bed system is a lot more forgiving, but you need to be thinking about sand replacement several years down the road. someone just starting out than this could a wise choice. i prolly would recommend this to anybody starting out with a tank smaller than 75g. once you get above 75g sand bed removals get pretty nasty and problematic.

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that was the second paragraph of rambling. a sand bed system is a lot more forgiving, but you need to be thinking about sand replacement several years down the road. someone just starting out than this could a wise choice. i prolly would recommend this to anybody starting out with a tank smaller than 75g. once you get above 75g sand bed removals get pretty nasty and problematic.

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Old 12-14-2006, 11:59 AM   #11
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So far as I know, the guy who builds the refugiums uses red sea super skimmers.
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:15 PM   #12
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Well, thanks for the reply. Just when I think I have things figured out...LOL
I do my water changes 15% a week, or more frequently if I have the chance. Does the macro algae help with nitrates and extra nutrients?...I know that is what the water changes are for but doesn't a refugium contribute anything good to the system?
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that was the second paragraph of rambling. a sand bed system is a lot more forgiving, but you need to be thinking about sand replacement several years down the road. someone just starting out than this could a wise choice. i prolly would recommend this to anybody starting out with a tank smaller than 75g. once you get above 75g sand bed removals get pretty nasty and problematic.

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Oh yuk, I am not looking forward to replacing the sand in the future...I did not realize that had to be done.
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Old 12-14-2006, 12:22 PM   #13
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Are you referring to a DSB deep sand bed?
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Old 12-14-2006, 10:11 PM   #14
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the sand bed themselves will need to be replaced regardless of whether they are deep or not. the sand absorbs phosphates. at some point it can not hold any more and starts leaking it back into the water column. the deeper the sand bed the longer it takes for this to occur.

you can try silica sand, it will not absorb phosphates like calcium carbonate based sand will. it will however allow the LR to absorb the phosphates instead. LR is also composed of calcium carbonate. it is prolly even more important to have your LR suspended above a silica based substrate.

IMO/IME-i do not think that a refugium contributes anything good to the system. you are told that they can absorb nitrates out of the system, but in reality they are just as leaky. they absorb all kinds of nitrates and phosphates, but any that they do not use right away they just release back into the water column. not really helping much. they also need to be exported in order to do any good. taking it out and trying to feed the critters in the display with it, is prolly the worse thing you could do. when the algae is eaten the bound phosphates and nitrates are released back into the water column through the organism that ate it.

if you are unable to grow macro algae anywhere in the system, this is a good thing. the way a fuge works is that you create a cess pool in the tank so that the algae have a chance to grow. algae likes dirty water. this is why when you are told to set up a fuge you are told to make the flow through it as slow as possible this is to facilitate all of the detritus falling out of suspension. detritus supplies phosphates to the algae. if you just siphon up this detritus than you do not have to worry about the phosphates feeding algae.

am i making sense here? where is my skeety translator.

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Old 12-15-2006, 08:17 AM   #15
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Makes complete sense..thanks!
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