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Old 05-02-2011, 03:36 PM   #1
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clown fish breeding question


Ok stupid question but can a common clown breed with a black and white clown. The reason why I ask is there are some many clowns to pick from.and I was thinking is this because different spices have bred or is it that there has been a mutation in the gene and that's how new spices or different looking clowns are created.
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Old 05-02-2011, 03:45 PM   #2
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you can't mate two fish of different species, but two ocellaris clowns, two percs, etc can mate and the offspring will be a hybrid of the two. This is like a black woman and white man having a child. Same species just two different colors. The color of the child will reflect this hybridization.
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Old 05-02-2011, 03:46 PM   #3
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if by common clown, you mean ocellaris clown and the black and white ocellaris clown, then yes they can breed. The black and white variation is the same species just comes from a different area in the world.

Unfortunately the black and white species are harder to get to breed in an aquarium than the common ocellaris clown. If you try to cross the two, a black and white and an orange and white one, the crosses are called mocha maine ocellaris.
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In nature there are several ways to create a new SPECIES, but interbreeding two different looking clowns will just lead to a new breed. In our tanks, though extremely unlikely, a genetic mutation would be the only way to get a new clown species. Likely the mutation will make the animal worse off and it will just die. In nature, however, you have things like adaptive radiation, certain reproductive barriers (where a group of a species is isolated and only breeds within it's limited gene pool, eventually evolving into a new species incapable of mating with their former species).
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Old 05-02-2011, 03:49 PM   #5
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Yeah mine ate both ocellaris clowns. Ok so next stupid question how van you tell what sex they are and what do they look like when they breed. I don't even think mine are old enough yet ad they are quite small but I want to know for the future
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Old 05-03-2011, 08:27 PM   #6
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you can't mate two fish of different species, but two ocellaris clowns, two percs, etc can mate and the offspring will be a hybrid of the two. This is like a black woman and white man having a child. Same species just two different colors. The color of the child will reflect this hybridization.
Sorry, but this is incorrect. Many species of clowns have been paired together with a mate of a different clownfish species and produced offspring. Hybrid clownfish are nothing new.

ORA sells this one occasionally.
http://www.orafarm.com/products/fish...ricinctus.html

Ocellaris/Percula hybrids are commonly available.
http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/prod/253768/product.web

Here are two more. The last one is actually from two different genus, not just a species hybrid.

http://www.proaquatix.com/speciesdet...UPID=200&ID=11

http://www.proaquatix.com/speciesdet...UPID=200&ID=46

When it comes to choosing a mate, it turns out that clownfish are not that picky.
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Old 05-04-2011, 09:05 AM   #7
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OK, I stand corrected. I will say, however, that many definitions of species do two things....one, they flat out exclude anything that doesn't happen in nature. If the two clowns need an artificial environment, means, or some sort of human intervention to mate, it's not wildly sustainable and therefore not really considered a new species. Also, many definitions of a species are based around a regularly mating population that does not mate with other populations. Under those guidelines, while we could combine many animals in nature in our 'labs' these arent really new species as far as scientific definitions are concerned. But to be fair the question was about mating in captivity, so I guess I was wrong.
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I'm sorry but your argument simply does not hold up. Hybrids occur naturally in the wild as well. Here is an account of a pair found in the wild on a dive trip.

http://www.rareclownfish.com/forums/...ant-pair-4085/

Hybridization plays an important role in evolution. A wild hybrid today could be a whole new species many years from now.
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Gosh, I'd be happy to get a school of clown fry from 2 of the same type. I'm still reading 'The Book' and have to say, I'm not ready to put the time and effort into trying this.

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I'm assuming you mean Wilkersons book? Have you read Hoff's books? One is on spawning and the other on phytoplankton. Both are very informative.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ntt_athr...nk%20H.%20Hoff

MOFIB is also an excellent source where you can gain advice from many hobby level breeders of numerous marine species.
http://www.marinebreeder.org/
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my clowns are laying eggs how to i care for the babys ?
what do i feed them ? how do i feed them ?
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Yes, Joyce's hardcover....haven't read Hoff. Checked out the link....amazing how Amazon opens your account right off.

I love Clowns, and may someday have the time to breed them. Right now, I'm trying to figure out how to keep what I have...........the economy.
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my clowns are laying eggs how to i care for the babys ?
what do i feed them ? how do i feed them ?
http://www.thereeftank.com/gallery/s...mageuser=43450

Get the books already mentioned, they cover everything. Also checkout the website I posted above.
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