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Old 02-21-2008, 06:04 PM   #1
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Chubster The New Mandarin--Dead.


Well, I have no clue what the problem was. As some of you have read; Chubster was a brand new spotted mandarin addition. He was purchased on Feb. 15. He was eating great at the store, and in my tank too. Within 15 seconds of adding him to the tank, he was wolfing down 'pods.

The only thing I found strange was he was a swimmer. I have no experience with mandarins, but I read up on them real well before buying one. I know they require 'pods. I also know from experience in seeing them that they tend to be bottom dwellers.

Well my Chubster was always eating. He never appeared stressed. My other inhabitants are two banggai cardinals, a skunk shrimp and a modest cleanup crew of a few nassarius, blue legged hermits, and cerith snails. I own two corals, a mushroom and zoa-covered rock. They look fantastic. The mushrooms are already growing and reproducing, even. All in all, the tank continues to do very well.

My water quality is great. Ca is about 450; Alk is 11.2, no ammonia nitrates or nitrites. pH is spot on at 8.4.

Maybe somebody with more experience with mandarins can tell me if they ever swim. Chubster swam quite often. When he swam, he never appeared stressed. He seemed to like "riding the waves" that the Vortech produced. He was always eating. Every time I looked at him he was slowly migrating around and in between LR, sucking down 'pods.

My skunk shrimp always tried to latch on to him and clean him off. He seemed to tolerate it, but was clearly none too pleased. He usually gave the shrimp a few seconds to pick around on his fat body, and kinda walked away.

I have no clue what went wrong. Every other tank inhabitant shows no change in personality. Last night, I looked for him for a few minutes, didn't see him, and reluctantly grabbed the flashlight to spy the nether regions of carpet behind the tank. The pulse started to go up in anticipation. I've seen this before. Yup. There he was. Looking just like a letter C. I found Chubster on the carpet dried up and lifeless.

I'll never have a top on my tank. I want the O2 exchange and don't want any light obstructed by salt spray on a glass top. I've been picking my fish very carefully with a "no jumpers allowed" policy. That's why I don't get a firefish, which I love. They tend to jump.

So? What am I missing? Was the fact that Chubster swam, a warning sign that I should have realized meant something important? What's going on here?
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Old 02-21-2008, 07:45 PM   #2
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So Sorry for you loss I think all gobys/blennies/dragonettes have the potential to jump
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Old 02-21-2008, 07:58 PM   #3
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How did you acclimate and get him into the tank. One thing that comes to mind is that mandarins should not be netted as it can remove their slimecoat and subsequently open them up to all sorts of problems.
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Old 02-21-2008, 08:44 PM   #4
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How did you acclimate and get him into the tank. One thing that comes to mind is that mandarins should not be netted as it can remove their slimecoat and subsequently open them up to all sorts of problems.

Same as I do all new inhabitants. Float closed bag for 30 min's to equalize temps, add about 2 oz tank water into the bag every 10 min's or so until it's about a 50/50 mix of store water/tank water, then using my hand; gently cup fish out of bag, into tank.

I haven't used a net in years.

I'm clueless.
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Might just have been something that you could not have controlled at your end... Shipping/collection issues or just plain time.
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Is it possible the shrimp aggrevated him to jump?
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Old 02-23-2008, 09:58 PM   #7
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Thanks for the thoughts, everyone. I've given it some consideration and I'm going to get another. I'll post pics.
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Old 02-23-2008, 11:54 PM   #8
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Dang, I am truly sorry for the loss of Chubster. I was eagerly anticipating your reports of getting him switched over to prepared foods as well.

I know you said you don't want glass tops. Do you have a canopy? Or would you consider using the eggcrate stuff as a top for your tank? That would still give you the O2 exchange while giving the jumpers something to "bounce" off of.

Good luck in your pursuit of a replacement.
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Old 02-24-2008, 03:56 PM   #9
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Do you have a canopy? Or would you consider using the eggcrate stuff as a top for your tank? That would still give you the O2 exchange while giving the jumpers something to "bounce" off of.

Good luck in your pursuit of a replacement.
I don't have a canopy. I don't think I'll use eggcrate, either. I spot feed my corals with a turkey baster. I'm really trying to achieve a layout as close as possible to "cruise control." That's why I don't use filter floss anywhere in my setup.

Just personal preference. I'm counting on this first incident as a fluke. If it happens again, I'll stay away from mandarins/gobys/blennys.
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I wish you the best of luck and hope that it does not happen again for you.
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Old 02-24-2008, 10:00 PM   #11
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That stinks. Sorry about Chubster. Hate to hear it.
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Old 02-24-2008, 10:06 PM   #12
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sorry for your loss and their such cool fish
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Old 02-25-2008, 10:58 AM   #13
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Sometimes even normally relaxed fish jump. I wouldn't beat yourself up trying to find an explanation...sometimes this just happens. Sorry for your loss.
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Old 02-25-2008, 11:07 AM   #14
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that really sucks. We just lost our sixline the same way.........he spent months in an open tank and out of the blue....jumped.

Sorry for your loss
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Old 02-25-2008, 12:22 PM   #15
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Did a rock take a tumble and scare him? I'm pretty sure that's what caused my tang to jump.
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