proof oceanic is bad!!

[Reefin']

check out page 1 and page 7

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...5&pagenumber=1

[fattoni]

meh, i still use it, it hasnt caused any problems in my tank.

[Illusion]

Any salt would do that Mine has never looked like that... With every salt there will always be someone trying to blame a crash on the salt..

James

[Piero]

quite honestly, i just get whatever is on sale...lol

Usually Kent or IO.

[Reefin']

ive had it do that recently.every time i leave a little water in the tub(which is scrubbed each time)24-26 hrs.bam instant brown all over tub walls,pump,heater.algae blooms need food.right? were is the food coming from to fuel the growth of brown diatoms. im not saying its all that way .but im starting to believe batchec are bad.months ago before i seen all this bad press., i was wondering myself if the salt was to blame.mainly i was having problems with the 50 gal jugs. irecently purchased a bucket.really havent noticed much .of coarse i been a littkle better about cleaning up after myself and not leaving water in tub.i dont recall seeing this withother salts ive used.of coarse i need to buy a phosphate test to no for sure.but thats what those peeps did on RC.

[Reefin']

i dont think people are blaming crashes on the salt,but brown diatoms yes!

[Reefin']

i still use it its .no matter what .it was cheap.

[podman]

i quit using it for a several reasons.
one, i found what appeared to be dried plant matter in the bucket (go figure on that one)
two, the magnesium levels were frightening.

three, the clacium levels tested over 600 ppm

four, the alkalinty was proportionate

five, i dislike the powder. yes, it dissolves quickly but who cares, you shouldn't be throwing it right in the tank anyway. all the fine powder did for me was to fall into the water in clumps and splash water on the floor.

[Lowman]

I Absolutely, Unequivically Hated The Oceanic Salt. I Couldn't Wait To Get The Crap Out Of My House. It Did The Same Thing To My Tank...

[Kevin1000]

The only consistent complaints about Oceanic that I have read are low alk and James complaining about mag levels running a little high. Low alk is a no brainer to solve ... not sure about the mag issue but it seems to me that Oceanic levels of mag are only about 10% above norm. While I have read a number of articles discussing problems of having insuficient mag I have yet to read an article which would indicate that a minor increase in mag would create any problem (and please don't quote the article discussing Mega loading mag to help open oysters )

[Reefin']

this is funny.found this on someones post on RC....lmao!

[podman]

Originally Posted by Kevin1000

The only consistent complaints about Oceanic that I have read are low alk and James complaining about mag levels running a little high. Low alk is a no brainer to solve ... not sure about the mag issue but it seems to me that Oceanic levels of mag are only about 10% above norm. While I have read a number of articles discussing problems of having insuficient mag I have yet to read an article which would indicate that a minor increase in mag would create any problem (and please don't quote the article discussing Mega loading mag to help open oysters )

my batch was significantly high. the salifert test chart goes to 1500ppm and i was well above that.

aside from this, i have to say that there appears to be a dearth of information that pertains to marine organisms and magnesium toxicity. it stands to reason that there would be a toxic level given that the few studies i have found show freshwater crustaceans being particularly succeptable to magnesium poisoning and also, some marine crustaceans were shown to be quite succeptable to strontium poisoning which has been described as chemically similiar to magnesium.
also Toonen seems to think toxic poisoning is worth pondering as he advises here...

http://reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.ph...esium+toxicity

as does Randy Holmes-Farley (not linking any of his topics for the oyster content )

there are others but my time is over spent on this topic.

i am not a chemist in any form of the word, i find it to be a confusing topic and i wouldn't steer clear of Oceanic on this one principle alone... but the fact is that i am now concerned about the integrity of the product as pertaining to the measures that i can't determine in my home.
how can i be sure they haven't thrown in extra strontium, molydnenum, copper, iron, boron or whatever other trace element that was in vogue at one time?
i tire of the wacky potions involved in this hobby

[Illusion]

Well I cant speak for the Toxicity of Mg however RHF stated to me in several of my old posts 1500ppm is not bad for a reef... since using Oceanic I have yet to have anything die on me... Except a little Incident that Involved Extremely Low Salinity... As for the higher Mg levels it all depends on what the Sg was made to and how accurate the levels were... Mine was always done with a calibrated ATC refractometer to 35ppt at 79-80F Anything more than this will raise the levels Significantly... As from what I noticed with Oceanpure The raise was several ppm just by adding 2 addt cups of Salt in a 50g of water... My only concern was the 1500ppm in Mg since I like things to be as close to perfect as possible... However it was stressed many times why bother with it... It wasnt until just a week or 2 ago that another one of our members told me they were having a minor Algae problem that "clicked" in my head as to Maybe thats where this small patch of algae on a couple clams is coming from... Nothing bad or really distracting Just annoying... At this point I would still be more than willing to use Oceanic salt as I have been Extremely successful with it for the last year... Oceanpure is Cheaper, Mg is lower and my small algae problem might go away... What more can I ask for...

On a side not all my hair algae went away after a few weeks of using Oceanic so it cant be that bad.. LOL

James

[micaheli]

"No way there is anything wrong with the trash can."

Well, I mix mine in a copper tub... Weird... my shrimp keep dying and I never see any pods....

I haven't had any problems with Oceanic as of yet... people are whiners.

--Micah

[Reefin']

and some are smart a##"#