Marine Ich?

siskiou · 12-05-2004, 08:32 PM

Can you bring ich into the tank with frags?

We just noticed that our red-headed goby has white spots!

He didn't have them yesterday, and he is not in the tank that had the heater go out last week.
No new fish have been added to this tank in over a year!

We are adding garlic to the food right now.
Any other advice?

PS: we did add an emerald crab to this tank a couple of weeks ago.

fattoni · 12-05-2004, 08:48 PM

Has there been anything that could have stressed him out lately?

siskiou · 12-05-2004, 08:50 PM

Adding a few new frags to the tank?

Other than that, not really.

Krux · 12-06-2004, 12:26 AM

water in the bag with the emerald crab could have contained ich, and it could have easily stayed invisible for two weeks.

never add water from someone elses tank to your own, discard 100% of it after aclimating.

siskiou · 12-06-2004, 12:49 AM

I never add water from other tanks, but I didn't "dry off" the emerald crab either

I also added a few snails at the same time, but again, not the water they came in.

Looking at the affected fish, he doesn't act sick at all. No fast breathing, no scratching, eating well...
The spots (about 10) are all around his tail end.

I could swear they weren't there even this morning.

During my research this evening, I've found info saying that you can bring in ich on live rock, too.

I just set up a hospital tank yesterday, too, but for a skinny freshwater puffer, to treat for internal parasites.

We truly don't have the means to set up two hospital tanks.
I was astonished to see these spots popping up, since I always thought ich only came in with new fish.

Do you all quarantine any new additions (including corals, snails, crabs, live rock) for 6 weeks, before adding them to your main tank?

Krux · 12-06-2004, 01:44 AM

i wish i was so dilligent. when i get my new setup all in place, i am going to have a static q tank set up for both fish, and for doing things like interceptor dosing. don't do much now aside from not buying fish.

SeanF · 12-06-2004, 09:26 AM

Yes you can introduce ich to a tank with just about anything. It would require that there was fish in the tank that you got the frags out of.

Kevin1000 · 12-06-2004, 12:19 PM

Tomonts can hitchike on just about anything .... thats why its a good idea to purchase corals from LFS that do not keep fish in their coral tanks.

WAVESHAUN · 12-06-2004, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin1000

Tomonts can hitchike on just about anything .... thats why its a good idea to purchase corals from LFS that do not keep fish in their coral tanks.

While I agree with this statement, it is somewhat impossible to keep some fish in a fish-only system. Mandrins, small wrasses, sea horses/pipefish, some gobies and most anthias DO NOT fair well in fish-only systems.

We keep these^^ fish in with our corals to keep them eating and healthy. I do reccomend a quarantine tank, either way.

Shaun Monahan
Waves Marine Aquaria

Kevin1000 · 12-06-2004, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by WAVESHAUN

... it is somewhat impossible to keep some fish in a fish-only system. Mandrins, small wrasses, sea horses/pipefish, some gobies and most anthias DO NOT fair well in fish-only systems. ...

While some of those fish may do better with tanks with substrates +/or live rock they certainly don't require corals to thrive. LFS may stick fish in a tank for a variety of reasons but I suspect those reasons boil down to lack of space and the tanks look better with fish ... neither has a darn thing to do with the health of the fish or the coral.

WAVESHAUN · 12-06-2004, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin1000

While some of those fish may do better with tanks with substrates +/or live rock they certainly don't require corals to thrive. LFS may stick fish in a tank for a variety of reasons but I suspect those reasons boil down to lack of space and the tanks look better with fish ... neither has a darn thing to do with the health of the fish or the coral.

If you actually read my post, I do did not say these fish "REQUIRE" corals to thrive. I think you contradict yourself by these statements, "LFS may stick fish in a tank for a variety of reasons but I suspect those reasons boil down to lack of space and the tanks look better with fish ... neither has a darn thing to do with the health of the fish or the coral." You have an opinion, and that's fine.

I place certain fish in our coral systems to help maintain that fishes' health. The natural foodstuff(copepods, isopods) found in a coral system is by far better for some of the more delicate, hard to feed fish. So yes, it does have to do with the health of the fish.

Lets see how long you can keep a Mandrin in a fish-only tank, regardless of size and tank mates. - good luck.

Shaun Monahan
Waves Marine Aquaria

WAVESHAUN · 12-06-2004, 05:19 PM

Some thing else bothers me here, and I feel obligated to respond.

Isn't the objective here to have our fish and coral thrive? Why even bother if we not going to recreate our fishes/corals enviornment? We are removing these animals from nature and they deserve the best we can provide them.

Speaking for myself (hopefully others too), I'm here to futher reef keeping by providing sound information and HEALTHY livestock. Yes, I see you may have issues - I am a LFS, and yes I do this for a living (if you want to call it a living).

I would rather miss out on a sale (and have countless times), than to just sell something for the @ell of it. I want to establish return customers that trust my guidence, rather than feel suckered!

Shaun Monahan
Waves Marine Aquaria

Kevin1000 · 12-06-2004, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by WAVESHAUN

I place certain fish in our coral systems to help maintain that fishes' health. The natural foodstuff(copepods, isopods) found in a coral system is by far better for some of the more delicate, hard to feed fish. So yes, it does have to do with the health of the fish.

Lets see how long you can keep a Mandrin in a fish-only tank, regardless of size and tank mates. - good luck. Shaun MonahanWaves Marine Aquaria

You apparently correlate copods and isopods with corals. If so thats an incorrect assumption. You can have plenty of pods without corals - don't have anything to do with each other --- all you need is some live sand and live rock helps.

Your "fish only" statement reinforces my comment that LFS stick corals and fish together because they don't have tank capacity. You apparently won't dedicate a mature tank with substrate and live rock (without corals) for your mandarins, wrasses, gobies, seahorses etc........

WAVESHAUN · 12-06-2004, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin1000

You apparently correlate copods and isopods with corals. If so thats an incorrect assumption. You can have plenty of pods without corals - don't have anything to do with each other --- all you need is some live sand and live rock helps.

Your "fish only" statement reinforces my comment that LFS stick corals and fish together because they don't have tank capacity. You apparently won't dedicate a mature tank with substrate and live rock (without corals) for your mandarins, wrasses, gobies, seahorses etc........

I'm not looking to argue here.

Yes, I could set-up a holding system as you speak of. This whole thread is on ICH, not one system vs. another. Either system, as we have desdribed is capable of transferring ICH via fish/water - whatever.

My point, which seems to have gotten missed via fish health is: I reccomend a quarintine system - IN ALL CASES, and avoid adding foreign water to your aquarium.

Q. What is the most expensive fish you can think of?

Shaun Monahan
Waves Marine Aquaria

A. A DEAD one!