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Old 01-30-2007, 08:42 PM   #31
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Rob your not gonna get new rock we get the picture.
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Old 01-30-2007, 08:44 PM   #32
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No way. If I redo it I will go back to my original method with some sand. BB is not the only way to do this. I listened to allot of you methods as you know and it failed so therefore it is NOT perfect.

I like the fact its easier to clean but that is about it so far. Remote DSB's - refugiums - bleh.
LOL it may not be perfect but it failing for you means you weren't doing something right LOL!
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Old 01-30-2007, 08:55 PM   #33
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Rob your not gonna get new rock we get the picture.
Listen to Casey.
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Old 01-30-2007, 08:56 PM   #34
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why now you never do it gets aggravating.
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Old 01-30-2007, 08:57 PM   #35
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Then someone neds to explain the basic parameters of a BB tank.
rob i think its too hard to set basic parmeters other than good skimmer , high flow , and no substrate on the aquarium floor . after that then the whole thing opens up !
1. lighting - dependant on what you goal is to keep .
a. sps only - high quality light output ,
b. softies/lps - good quality light output .
c. mixed - gets trickier , harder to keep all corals happy , alittle more
research required to pick out corals with greater adaptabilities.
d.length and amount of lighting will need to be adjusted according to
how tank inhabitants are responding . normally in b.b. situations you
can use less lighting or reduced lighting period .
2. flow - dependant on what your goal is to keep .
a. sps only - requires the greatest flow requirements .
b. softies/ lps - less flow than sps requirements , but one still needs
enough flow to keep detritus moving . one still may be able to
maintain soft/ lps in a high flow situation with careful placement .
3. skimming - dependant on what you want to keep
a. skimming wet reduces nutrient build-up quickest .most sps tanks
are run skimming wet . wet skimming is also helpful to those that
feed "heavier" amounts of food .
b. dry skimming is most benaficial to soft and lps corals that come
from nutrient rich areas. also skimming dry helps keep the water
more nutrient rich for those that have a light bioload , or limit
feeding

The thing is that even what i listed will not be the same from tank to tank , so one needs to be willing to make adjustments and play the wait and see game while things react to these new changes . somethings may not care what you do , as they just may not thrive in your tank conditions . we've all lost corals even though we have every bell and whistle on our tanks and have nothing but good intentions .
Also b.b. tanks are no more immune to the same afflictions that give dsb tank owners fits . you can still end up with algae battles , pest infestations , and chemical battles . what may make the differance in b.b. systems is the adjustability of this method in fighting these problems. it is not the end all cure all solution !
so to end this post , i would say - for me the b.b. method can be summed up in two words- ADJUSTABILITY & FLEXABILITY !
i'm done .....
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Old 01-30-2007, 08:59 PM   #36
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LOL it may not be perfect but it failing for you means you weren't doing something right LOL!
What did I do wrong?

Cooked the rock
Used Starboard
Lots of flow
Skimmer running wet
Blast the LR weekely with a powerhead
Feed the tank/fish
15G water changes every 2 weeks
CA 400, Alk 11, PH 8.1-8.3, AMmon, Nitrate, PO4, SIicate - 0

Hmm - I dont know - this is pretty much by your book. When the coral will not attach to the rock after a year there is a problem.

I dont get what I am supposed to adjust?
Tried feeding heavier - still loosing corals (multiple)
Cut back lighting
no coraline on thge rock
no SPS attaching to the rock
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man it took me an hour to write my last post ! , post it , come back and see a ton of replies !
i need a secretary that does dictation !
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Junk rock started out bad,I have had bad rock before it is now around my flowerbed there is good rock and there is bad rock,I know which kind you have and I told you that 2 years ago.
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BB is not the only way to do this. I listened to allot of you methods as you know and it failed so therefore it is NOT perfect.
You're right, it's not perfect for everyone and no one has ever said that it was and no one has ever said it's the only way to do it either.

Rob, why did you change from having a sand bed tank?
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Hmm - I dont know - this is pretty much by your book. When the coral will not attach to the rock after a year there is a problem.

I dont get what I am supposed to adjust?
Tried feeding heavier - still loosing corals (multiple)
Cut back lighting
no coraline on thge rock
no SPS attaching to the rock
These are all big problems. Why did you continue when you were having those problems?
Loosing corals, corals not attaching, no coralline, etc etc are all big problems. Those are usually signs of a dirty tank.
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Becaused I listened to you.
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Where ius the dirt? Even right after I rebuilt this tank - cooking/ etc there was no coraline on the rocks.

My point is I should have started it ALL over with new lR but NO. Most of you said rock cant go bad - cook the rock and use starboard.
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Rock can be bad no one can tell me different what I have seen with my own eyes,no one knows every rock out there even Spanky,you can cook chicken poop all you want but still cant make it into chicken pie period.
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I am still here listening and taking a beating (need my head examined).

Could the fact be the rock is NO good? Or is that imposible?
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