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Old 01-08-2006, 11:39 AM   #1
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What an AWFUL weekend!


I lost most of my fish, most of my inverts, and the tank just about wiped itself out!

Water levels tested just pefect, other than SLIGHTLY high (not above 20) nitrates, and the symptoms of death included:

Acting normally, suddenly turning pale to the point of white, thrashing a few times, then falling dead. It all happened within about 15 seconds. The two tangs went first. They were out front and eating some dulse in a clip, and the powder brown went first. It just abruptly stopped mid bite, thrashed around a couple times and fell dead.
Less than 30 seconds later, while I was still staring in "What the HELL?!" shock, the scopas literally turned WHITE, thrashed, and fell on its side dead as well.
Then it started hitting the damsels...by that point I'd snapped out of it and had a net in hand, trying to catch as many fish with it as I could at once. None of them even tried to avoid being netted.

The best I can figure is that the small sponge on one of the bits of LR died and poisoned the whole lot.

As soon as I noticed fish starting to drop like flies sprayed with raid, I had the net out and was moving EVERYONE into the 10 gallon tank. Within 5 minutes of being put in the other tank, they were perked up and fine, but I lost quite a bit.

My tangs are both dead, all of the anemones save the green hairy mushroom died, 5 of the hermit crabs didn't make it, the coral beauty dwarf angel died, all of the zoos and mushrooms died, a handful of the damsels didn't make it (though I don't mind that terribly as they were blue devils and I'd been plotting ways to get rid of them anyway), and for awhile I thought the maroon clown pair, starfish and urchin were going to die as well. I got the clowns out just as their gasping started; they were both limp in the net and limp in the nano for a few minutes before perking up.
The starfish had started to curl in on itself and the urchin, for lack of a better word, looked like it was 'wilting' (in addition to dropping three spines).

So, right now my 10 gallon tank is a very overstocked refugee tank.

The urchin lost a few spines due to stress, but is otherwise fine; moving around and eating and all of that.
The starfish is eating and moving, so I'm not too worried there.
MOST of the snails made it; they were trying to climb out of the water and over the lid so after the fish and other inverts were out, I was just picking them up by the handful.
Three blue devils are left, one yellow tail, two of those striped damsels, and two maroon clowns made it fish-wise.

The green hairy mushroom made it, but he's still rather stressed. Good color and everything, he just doesn't like to open fully right now. Can't say I blame the poor little guy.

The fish, despite being crowded, seem to be making the best of it as fish go. There hasn't been much fin nipping from the devils; they seem to only chase each other and let the clowns alone.
Everyone is eating, and I've added a bit of extra filtration (along with twice daily water testing to make sure I don't have any spikes due to the overcrowding), and everyone is nice and active.

On the plus side, it killed off the parasitic anemones and fire worms.

I sent a long, rambling email to wetwebmedia about it and the reply back was that it was likely the sponge death that caused it and that I should drain and refill the tank, run a few pounds of activated carbon through it all for about a week, do a partial change, change out the carbon, start the cycle from scratch (I swear to god I'm using the blue devils to cycle it. ), and once it's good again I can move the inverts, clowns, and damsels (if I want to) back in.

What a nightmare though; I hate to think of what would have happened had I not been at home when it all started.
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Old 01-08-2006, 11:53 AM   #2
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save a sample of the water and have a chemist test it (usually small fee) somthing poisoned them.
any small kids that have active imaginations here?
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Old 01-08-2006, 12:00 PM   #3
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save a sample of the water and have a chemist test it (usually small fee) somthing poisoned them.
any small kids that have active imaginations here?
Something had to have poisoned them given the quickness of death and the fact that all other factors (ph, ammonia, nitrate, nitrite, salinity, calcium levels, temperature) tested fine.

There are no kids in the house, and when we clean we cover the aquariums with plastic so nothing gets in.
Any cleaning sponges/scrapers/tongs/etc..used for the fish tanks are for the tanks only and are stored out of areas where they'd be exposed to cleaning chemicals or accidentally used for household cleaning instead.

The only thing I can think of is the sponge dying; I know that can cause tank poisoning fairly quickly. :\
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Old 01-08-2006, 12:01 PM   #4
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Wow that sucks sorry for your losses.
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Old 01-08-2006, 01:07 PM   #5
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I haven't heard of a sponge death causing a tank crash, not out of the realm of possibility I guess though.
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Old 01-08-2006, 01:18 PM   #6
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I haven't heard of a sponge death causing a tank crash, not out of the realm of possibility I guess though.
Really? Three of the four books I have on marine tanks have big, fat warnings about keeping sponges that say if they die they can release toxins that can poison the entire aquarium. :\
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Old 01-08-2006, 02:07 PM   #7
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wow, sorry to hear that. That's quite amazing, I'm really curious what did it. I had a sponge die in my nano tank early on (came with my lr) and everybody seems fine. Of course, I don't know what kind it was, or any particulars about it, and that can make a big difference. Very sad weekend. I'm glad you were able to save a few of your critters, at least.
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Old 01-08-2006, 02:26 PM   #8
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I have no idea what sort of sponge it was either; it looked like the type that one gets in a craft store.

I've ended up severely overcrowding the nano with smaller LR pieces from the big tank due to chasing and fin nipping between the clowns and blue devils.
They've calmed down now, as there's simply not ROOM to 'chase' and everyone can stake out their own little territory in a nook or cranny.
The clowns have claimed a flowerpot each, much to the damsels' dismay.
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Old 01-08-2006, 03:06 PM   #9
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So sorry to read your post today. It is so good that you acted quickly and saved some of them. Keep us posted as to how things go.
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you mentioned the tangs were eating off a veggie clip...was that just placed in the tank? If so, could there have been something on the clip? Or on your hand when you put the clip in the tank?

how big is your tank? if would have had to be a strong chemical to kill something that fast in medium to large amounts of water. On a similar note, I'd be worried for your own health as well. YOu really need to find out what made it's way into your tank.
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Old 01-08-2006, 03:40 PM   #11
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Sorry to here that!Did you buy that sponge?Certain sponges can kill your tank.That's why you should always know what your buying and unfortunally LFS don't tell you all the things about them.Like with sponge should never touch air and should be in shaded area,and you see them at the stores out in the open and I even saw a worker pull it out of the tank and put it in a bag!DAH!!
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Old 01-08-2006, 04:11 PM   #12
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Sorry to hear thisLet us know how it turns out.
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Old 01-08-2006, 05:54 PM   #13
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Hey Amanda, sorry to hear about your tank. Let me know if you need an extra tank or two to use until you figure out what happened to yours. Let me know what size and if you need anything else, filters heaters etc. You can use them for as long as you want to. Just call me tomorrow and I will get them ready for you. Also if you eliminate all other sources of possible poisoning and you think it was the live rock I will help you replace all your losses.
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Old 01-08-2006, 06:11 PM   #14
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wow this is bad... sorry to hear... was there any chemicals on the feeding clip? maybe the food had something in it? i dont know, thats very weird. i hope all works out.
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Old 01-08-2006, 11:24 PM   #15
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could you possibly have stray voltage? Sorry to hear about all your troubles...nice of greg to jump in and offer to help you out! I would, if I had room in my tank and was closer to you...I do have an extra 10 gallon you could use if you wanted. I'm not that far away...about an hour. I could bring it down to you...maybe you could 'borrow' water from someone. Good luck.
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