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Old 08-06-2000, 02:47 PM   #1
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Should you get an anemone?


Hi. I think this post should concern anyone considering buying an anemone or a clownfish. I recently purchased a bubble-tipped anemone for my 10 gallon mini-reef with 72 watts of PC lighting and 2 Amphiprion perculas. Before buying the E. quad, I did all sorts of research on the matter. I learned what to watch out for (torn based, etc.) and what to expect from newly purchased anemone (acclimating, requirements, etc.). I read all the homepages that warned about picking a health specimen and how to maintain them (1.025 and 76 deg for BTA). Even expecting all this, the anemone was still more trouble than it was worth. Even after 2 weeks, the E. quad still hadn't acclimated to my lighting and stayed hidden in the dark. It only showed itself at night. It was a pain to feed mainly because it was rejecting my food. And finally, even though I placed my weak 104 gph powerhead far away from it, the darned thing moved across my tank, stretched, stretched, and streched until it got caught in the powerhead. Now I nursed it back to life (wound fused together and it expanded fully in a week) but it still wasn't taking much food (i'd successfully fed it 1 piece of raw shrimp). Nevertheless, my A. perculas adopted it as a host and I was feeling somewhat better. Actually, it was only big enough for one of the perculas. However, taking someone's suggestion, I returned it, somewhat regretfully. The LFS gave me full credit so I traded it in for a torch coral.

I am SO much happier with the torch coral. 1) It does not move around 2) It stays open during the day and closed during the night (opposite of the BTA) 3) It took 2 days to acclimate to my lighting 4) My perculas both play in it. 5) I can add other coral to my tank w/o the fear that my anemone might move around and sting my corals to death.

So in conclusion, I'd just like to recommend to anyone out there who is interested in purchasing an anemone to get a torch or bubble coral instead. You can place them in nano-reefs safely, they are MUCH more hardy, MUCH more user-friendly, and finally, all the ANTI-anemone people won't flame you when you make posts asking for help maintaining your anemone.

I hope this helps some beginners like me not to make the mistake of purchasing an anemone, and definitely not for a nano.
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Old 08-06-2000, 04:00 PM   #2
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... and finally, all the ANTI-anemone people won't flame you when you make posts asking for help maintaining your anemone.
Percs,

I can only assume that you post on more than one board, since you have never been flamed on this board. You have been offered courteous, friendly, sensible advice on all of your posts.

If someone gives you advice that is contrary to what you would like to hear, they are not flaming you. And if they do not think it is appropriate to attempt keeping an anemone in a 10 gallon tank, they are not ANTI-anemone people, they are PRO-anemone people.

In one of your posts, the administrator of this forum took exception to the suggestion made by someone else that you might want to keep an anemone in your 10 gallon tank. In that particular post, you did not mention an anemone, but someone else suggested a pair of Amphiprion percula and an anemone as possible inhabitants for your 10 gallon tank.

I am sure that you will be happier in the long run with your torch coral and clownfish combination for your nano-reef and it was generous of you to share your experience so that others contemplating anything similar can be guided accordingly.

Good luck with your tank.

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Old 08-06-2000, 04:12 PM   #3
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Percs thank you for sharing that experience, you have illustrated the point we have been trying to make all along http://www.thereeftank.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
Ninong thanks for explaining from a members standpoint. The post and advice refered to have been the culmination of some frustration on my part as administrator, and I believe that matter is solved.
This board has historically been a flame free environment where all can exchange info, All we ask you you be sure of facts and if it isnt your personal knowledge try to give credit where its due.
The staff and I want this to be a nice place for everyone to come and share the hobby. Percs experience and success will prolly mean more to new folks contemplating clowns than all me preaching against keeping anemones, Enjoy


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Old 08-06-2000, 07:52 PM   #4
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Hey guys...I'm sorry if you two thought I was directing any attack against you. On the contrary, it was Ninong's advice that prompted me to go out and buy Wilkerson's Clownfishes book and I can't remember exactly but I seem to recall Doug's posts as being rather helpful as well. I am a member of both this board and reefs.org and you are both correct in saying that there are few if any flames on this board. I should have been more specific since I was referring to the ANTI-anemone posting members of reefs.org...I remember one person asking a legitimate question on keeping their anemone and the response she received was, "Why don't you try returning it to your LFS". I actually was posting this to help people like me (anemone & nano people) to get a different perspect on the anemone issue. Sorry if I've offended...I only intended to help. Bye.
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Old 08-06-2000, 08:43 PM   #5
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Hey guys. Sorry to butt in. This has been on my mind for a while.
I've been debating on whether to get a BTA for my tomato clown. At the moment, I have a condy and a few mushrooms. Everyone seems fine, I just think it would be neat for the clown to have a host.
I've always been under the impression (until I bought the darn things) that anemones were easier to take care of than corals. Now everyone's telling me the contrary, I wish they'd make up their minds. http://www.thereeftank.com/ubb/wink.gif
I don't have super duper lighting and I really don't plan on dosing all sorts of additives. I'll be passing the tank on soon, anyhow. Don't want to burden the next tank owners too much. With that in mind, have I made the right choice in sticking to anemones? Should I stay with what I have and hope for the best, or might I go ahead with the BTA? With proper researching, of course.

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Old 08-06-2000, 10:42 PM   #6
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Hello Fearn,

Considering everything you have said in your post, and more importantly, the way you have said it, and since you are soliciting unbiased honest opinions, here's my honest opinion, "NO, you should absolutely, positively NOT under any circumstances get a BTA."

Hope that wasn't too honest for you. http://www.thereeftank.com/ubb/wink.gif

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Old 08-06-2000, 11:24 PM   #7
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Percs, I was not flaming or getting down on you, on the contrary I do applaud your actions in returning the anemone and trading it for a Euphylliad your clowns would host with. My point was actual anecdotal examples by real members with real clowns and surragate hosts are better examples than me or anyone else telling people dont buy anemones because(insert reason). Personally I no longer keep anemones, though others do. I dont recommend them for most people as they are iffy for long term care and require specific parameters and a lot of groovy Karma to maintain. HOWEVER I dont want people to feel like they are gonna be flamed if you choose to get one. You need to reserch the hell out of them first then decideif you want to get one. However I really dont think they are suitable animals especially for new reefers and new tanks. Like Ninong said the answer you get may not be the one you wabnt to here but flaming doesnt get it here. So share the positive and negative, thats how we all learn

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Old 08-07-2000, 08:53 AM   #8
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Excellent thread gentleman http://www.thereeftank.com/ubb/smile.gif Percman, thanks so much for sharing your experience. Doug's right; board member experiences mean a lot to us here and we're all still learning. Shoot; I just saw some new squigglies in my tank last night that sent me running for the ID references http://www.thereeftank.com/ubb/wink.gif

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Old 08-07-2000, 10:23 AM   #9
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Thanks for the encouragement guys.

FEARN, please reread my first post. I REALLY DO NOT suggest buying a BTA for all the reasons I've already mentioned.

Also, you've already got a Condy. Both anemones are known to move around alot which could mean twice the problems that I've experiences. So in my experience and opinion, I would not suggest getting a BTA and would recommend a surrogate coral or a partner for the tomato.
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Old 08-07-2000, 02:13 PM   #10
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Percs,
Glad you were willing to share a painful experience with the rest of us. More posts like this is necessary to steer/scare people away from keeping animals that have no business in our tanks. They usually don't happen for the reasons you found out elsewhere http://www.thereeftank.com/ubb/frown.gif . If every person who starved a Mandarin, Moorish Idol, put two tangs in a 40g to their regret, added ****selfish http://www.thereeftank.com/ubb/smile.gif to cycle an killed them or lost an anemone would post about their experiences, maybe the outpouring of bad experiences would steer more newbies away. I feel a lot of people just don't post about animals they killed where it was obviously their fault because the bonfire gets lit and out come the marshmellows http://www.thereeftank.com/ubb/biggrin.gif .

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Old 08-07-2000, 07:12 PM   #11
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i just gotta toss in my $.02 i started a post like this here and just about every where else.....what i have decided is that anemones belong anywhere but those **** lfs that have no clue what they have 90% of the time.....not to offend anyone but hey thats the majority of the time the case. but i am for whatever people think they can handle. and dont plan on giving up at the first sign of trouble. but its obviously a fact that they do live better in the oceans and what not.............they belong where they do jmo. so basicly im saying that i am neutral on this subject.
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Old 08-07-2000, 09:07 PM   #12
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Hi all, I must tell you about my anemone.I bought a E.quadricolour in 1992.It was housed first in a 380 liter tank under six flouros of varios types.It devided twice in four years.We moved house and tank succesfully, then a year later I got a 125 gallon tank with two mh lights.Again everything was moved succesfully.This year she devided again and I have the second part of the anemone in my 50 gallon tank.Now it,s doing very well also.But I also have a E.quad in my other tank for three years now.The good thing with all of them was they did not wander about.I put them to the side of the tank half way up with not to strong water movement.I feed them some times.The clowns do that, they take bits and pieces in to them.May be I have been lucky.
I would also like to ad that I have a copperband butterfly now for four years, she eats out of my hand and touches me when I do things in the tank, she is not afraid at all,she is my pride and joy. Starfish.
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Old 08-07-2000, 09:13 PM   #13
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Hey Ninong,

How about a BLT? http://www.thereeftank.com/ubb/wink.gif I think my Percs and I would really enjoy one right about now.

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Old 08-07-2000, 09:23 PM   #14
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I have read a lot on BTA and heard how you should not have them. I'm a little confused. I'm not trying to tell anyone to go out and buy one. They are very difficult to keep. I do want to share my experience so far.
I have had my BTA for more than 8 months now. When I brought him home, he went to a spot. Ever since I bought him he's has his own spot. When I moved tanks he stayed in the same place . I do have a maroon clown that takes great care of him .The BTA eats every thing his maroon feeds him. I do make sure to feed only things he likes. They have a large light requirement and I do have a lot of light, 17 watts per gallon. In the months that I have had the BTA he has more that doubled in size. Never has he showed any signs of stress never shrunk in size. It has taken a lot of time and work to get the tank to a place were he will live and not die a slow death. BTA's are not for every one, not for most, but they can live. They just take a lot of work and time. If you are not willing to put the time and work into them, then please think before you buy.

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Old 08-07-2000, 10:58 PM   #15
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By the way, thanks for the support on reefs.org dragon0121. Anyways, I just want to commend TRT.com for its terrific users. I posted this exact message on reefs.org and was harassed and pre-judged numerous times for what I believe to be a useful post. Sure I didn't go all out and apologize to everyone who warned me against placing a BTA in a 10 gallon (foolishness) but I think the apology is implied within my post. Anyways, I'd just like to say that TRT.com is doing a great job. I wish everyone success with their animals and warn everyone about making the mistakes that I did.
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